so, where super shotgun come from?

[SuyaSSS]

Just now, Rudolph said:

Doom 3 outright states that the BFG is capable of discriminating between friends and foes:

 

hmm. never really thought about Doom 3. But, does any other weapon hurt npcs in the game? (genuine question since I know next to nothing about Doom 3)

[Lila Feuer]

Just now, SuyaSSS said:

hmm. never really thought about Doom 3. But, does any other weapon hurt npcs in the game? (genuine question since I know next to nothing about Doom 3)

 

Yes bullets and explosives hurt everything, just like in real life!

[Faceman2000]

Um actually the lore of the least-popular Doom game says so and therefore it applies to all versions of the weapon.

 

Plasma gun would be useless when fighting real-world foot soldiers. The slow projectile spead and obvious projectile source would make it a lot less effective than regular bullets.

[Rudolph]

5 minutes ago, Faceman2000 said:

Plasma gun would be useless when fighting real-world foot soldiers. The slow projectile spead and obvious projectile source would make it a lot less effective than regular bullets.

Maybe not, but it would be definitely useful against slow armored targets.

 

Basically, my point here is that I could see the concepts of the Plasma Rifle and the BFG being useful in warfare, unlike a double-barrelled shotgun.

Edited November 8, 2023 by Rudolph

[Lila Feuer]

5 minutes ago, Faceman2000 said:

Plasma gun would be useless when fighting real-world foot soldiers. The slow projectile spead and obvious projectile source would make it a lot less effective than regular bullets.

 

The Geneva Conventions would also take issue with the fact plasma assigns horrific burns and would melt people into goop.

Edited November 8, 2023 by Lila Feuer

[Rudolph]

6 minutes ago, Lila Feuer said:

The Geneva Conventions would also take issue with the fact plasma assigns horrific burns and would melt people into goop.

Since when have the Geneva Conventions prevented the development of such nightmare-inducing weapons? :P

 

They could not even prevent the deployment of landmines and cluster munitions for crying out loud... -_-

Edited November 8, 2023 by Rudolph

[Lila Feuer]

@Rudolph Oh I know they're frankly a joke and simply a guideline, a list of no-nos if you will, as war crimes will always be a thing, but Deus Ex and modern Fallouts are certainly an eye-opener when it comes to how plasma weapons are portrayed in the Doom universe.

[Wo0p]

... From the grim darkness of the 41st millenia... where there is only WAR.

[Foxpup]

55 minutes ago, SuyaSSS said:

It's just that Doom didn't have any friendlies.

It does in co-op multiplayer, and BFG tracers absolutely do not discriminate.

[No-Man Baugh]

Just now, Foxpup said:

It does in co-op multiplayer, and BFG tracers absolutely do not discriminate.

even in ports that allow disabling friendly fire, the kickback from being in the way of a BFG is enough to send you to the nearest slime pit. Nastier knockback than even an SSG

[Rudolph]

7 minutes ago, Foxpup said:

It does in co-op multiplayer, and BFG tracers absolutely do not discriminate.

Well, that sucks.

 

Based on the fact that the blast does not hurt the player and Doom 3's lore, I was convinced that the BFG was meant to be some sort of smart weapon.

 

What about Doom 2016's multiplayer? Does the BFG hurt friendly players as well?

Edited November 8, 2023 by Rudolph

[Aeddes666]

4 hours ago, Rudolph said:

I meant to ask to fellow Doom fans who also happen to be into guns in real life: why are double-barrelled shotguns so seldom used? 

  

As far as I am aware, it is not used by the military and the only few times I have seen it in action, it was in the hands of old-timey hunters and the occasional bank robbers (the latter only in fiction, rest assured). Why is that? Is it because of its ammo consumption and reload mechanism?

Slow recharge, high recoil, slow rate of fire.
I have both (pump and 2 barrels), and when i go hunt, always take the pump shotgun.

[Rudolph]

Incidentally, if I am not mistaken, Quake II's double-barrelled shotgun is also pump-action. :P

[Aeddes666]

10 minutes ago, Rudolph said:

Incidentally, if I am not mistaken, Quake II's double-barrelled shotgun is also pump-action. :P

I just saw this one on the internet. I would like to test one...

Also, Moe (from Simpsons) has one, iirc.

 

Edited November 8, 2023 by Aeddes666

[fishboy29]

7 hours ago, DoomGappy said:

It came from the shotgun incident. It's canon.

the what? Also, I imagine it's like the DooM 3 chainsaw, where it was some kind of accidental shipment.

[Lila Feuer]

@Aeddes666 Hear good things about it. Unlike the KSG which has twin tubes the DP-12 pictured above is indeed double barrel, it sounds like the operation is identical to how the old SBS and O/U shotguns work except you pump to load the next two shots from separate magazines.

 

I think id based the Q2 SSG on the NeoStead 2000 which has a very similar profile but functions like the KSG.

Edited November 8, 2023 by Lila Feuer

[DoomGappy]

11 minutes ago, fishboy29 said:

the what? Also, I imagine it's like the DooM 3 chainsaw, where it was some kind of accidental shipment.

When a Doomguy and a shotgun love each other very much...

[Lila Feuer]

4 minutes ago, DoomGappy said:

When a Doomguy and a shotgun love each other very much...

 

It's true, in the lore Doomguy doesn't have a waifu he has a raifu.

[Mr. Freeze]

Shotguns in shooters are one of those things we take for granted, but if you look closely, doesn't make make sense at all. No soldier in the modern era carries a shotgun as his primary weapon. Most firefights are well over 50m and outside a shotguns effective range. Loading individual shells is a hassle when under fire. The shells themselves are heavy and cumbersome to carry. Outside of door breaching or urban police work, a shotgun just isn't required. 

[Wo0p]

15 minutes ago, Lila Feuer said:

 

It's true, in the lore Doomguy doesn't have a waifu he has a raifu.

 

... Pls no... o_o the implications... MY EYES!

[Murdoch]

13 hours ago, Flippy685368 said:

actually, super shotgun is a weapons on Doom

so, how this weapon come from?

 

the weapon self is an another version of the shotgun

it from some wild west games

 

I think you're overthinking the whole Doom creative process. 95% of it was less founded in logical decisions based on the practical realities of a Martian moonbase and Hell, and more founded in "Hey you know what would be cool? If..." Doom 3 poked fun at this when it blamed the appearance of the chainsaw on a shipping error.

 

You could apply hyper logical analysis to just about anything in Doom, and other games for that matter. Like why is there human compatible ammo, health and armour lying all over Hell? All the demon higher ups would need to do would be to say to the rank and file "Lads, there's a nutcase marine on our turf. Kindly go pick up all the stuff he could use against us please. Cheers." Then the marine would be screwed and dead. Not necessarily in that order.
 

2 hours ago, Mr. Freeze said:

Shotguns in shooters are one of those things we take for granted, but if you look closely, doesn't make make sense at all. No soldier in the modern era carries a shotgun as his primary weapon. Most firefights are well over 50m and outside a shotguns effective range. Loading individual shells is a hassle when under fire. The shells themselves are heavy and cumbersome to carry. Outside of door breaching or urban police work, a shotgun just isn't required.

And where does the marine keep those 400 bullets, 100 shells, 100 rockets and 600 energy cells exactly?

Edited November 9, 2023 by Murdoch

[DNSKILL5]

9 hours ago, Rudolph said:

I meant to ask to fellow Doom fans who also happen to be into guns in real life: why are double-barrelled shotguns so seldom used?

Mainly because pump actions and semi automatic shotguns have much more to offer. More ammo capacities. More barrel variety. More accessories. Faster to reload. Even in countries with strict gun laws, typically a pump of semi auto shotgun will still hold at least up to 3 shots, and still have all the advantages over the double barrel. 

[No-Man Baugh]

All these comments about how shit shotguns are in real-life combat scenarios reminds me of this comment on Civvie's review on The Chasm:

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@hvarthtonn6870

1 year ago (edited)

i have a theory about shotguns in slavic games. in the west, the shotgun has a certain image. its a rebel's weapon. the germans tried to declare their use by the USA a warcrime. it's a defender's weapon used to secure stagecoaches. a shotgun's blast is like a shout of defiance.

 

in russia, when you get a firearms license, at first you may only purchase shotguns. they are a poor hunter's weapon. they kill birds and small game. a young child might be taught basic firearms skills and safety with a shotgun. theyre weapons barely fit for war, and only the desperate would take one over say, a rifle.

 

so in western games theyre made punchy and powerful. and in slavic games, theyre kinda meh.

 

 

[DNSKILL5]

2 minutes ago, No-Man Baugh said:

All these comments about how shit shotguns are in real-life combat scenarios reminds me of this comment on Civvie's review on The Chasm:

 

Yeah, it’s typically from ignorance on how shotguns actually work that leads to people over-exaggerating or underestimating the effectiveness of shotguns.

[Murdoch]

10 hours ago, Lila Feuer said:

Older models had two triggers so yes, newer models on the other hand have only one, which if anything makes it easier to do. Unlike video games you didn't really want to fire both barrels at once due to the recoil lol.

 

I remember firing my Grandfather's old side-by-side 12 gauge from like the 1930s when I was 14 or so while out duck-hunting with Dad. I was pretty big and solid even back then, and one barrel nearly put me on my ass. Both barrels would have probably have put me in hospital.

Edited November 9, 2023 by Murdoch

[Chezza]

I think a Chainsaw in Mars or the Moon is more questionable than a double barrelled shotgun. But I think Doom 3 or 2016 may have an explanation of sorts.

 

I can imagine a marine bringing his own signature weapon for good luck (possibly not for the field).

[Aeddes666]

1 hour ago, No-Man Baugh said:

in russia, when you get a firearms license, at first you may only purchase shotguns. they are a poor hunter's weapon. they kill birds and small game. a young child might be taught basic firearms skills and safety with a shotgun. theyre weapons barely fit for war, and only the desperate would take one over say, a rifle.

Don't know Russia fauna, but i used to kill adult male boars (160+kg) with one shot (12 gauge) using a slug or a knock hex charge. Also, killed birds with small spheres charged.

A shotgun isn't ideal for a war, but the versatility of loads on a shotgun compensate it. You can use against big or small animals, or if someone jump across your fence, have option to only "hurt"...

[Murdoch]

4 minutes ago, Aeddes666 said:

Don't know Russia fauna, but i used to kill adult male boars (160+kg) with one shot (12 gauge) using a slug or a knock hex charge. Also, killed birds with small spheres charged.

A shotgun isn't ideal for a war, but the versatility of loads on a shotgun compensate it. You can use against big or small animals, or if someone jump across your fence, have option to only "hurt"...

 

Yeah, they are quite flexible, arguably more so than a rifle.

[SupremeBioVizier]

13 hours ago, Guff dotD said:

It came from Planet Claire.

Planet Claire has pink air.

Edited November 9, 2023 by SupremeBioVizier

[INfront95]

14 hours ago, Rudolph said:

I meant to ask to fellow Doom fans who also happen to be into guns in real life: why are double-barrelled shotguns so seldom used?

 

As far as I am aware, it is not used by the military and the only few times I have seen it in action, it was in the hands of old-timey hunters and the occasional bank robbers (the latter only in fiction, rest assured). Why is that? Is it because of its ammo consumption and reload mechanism?

Well, this type of horizontal barrel position are usually either some expensive guns or gift. Most of them  used in hunts cause they are fall under special types that are legal to use. At least in most of the world where guns are forbidden. Most often double barreled shotguns have vertical barrel position, i asked people who used both and they said no much difference. Compared to combat guns they are inferior in any way. A lot of hunters start with them and later go for 5 shell version with 1 barrel, due to increased firerate so prey will not escape.