Art You No Longer Love

[Rudolph]

We all have movies, TV shows, video games, books and music that we no longer like for a myriad of reasons.

 

For me, such movie would definitely be Ghostbusters 1984. It was my favorite movie as a a child and I must have seen it more times than I remember. The Real Ghostbusters cartoon was not half-bad either, at least the first two seasons, and even though I found myself underwhelmed by Ghostbusters II,  Extreme Ghostbusters and Ghostbusters: The Video Game, I was still looking forward to a third Ghostbusters movie. Then, Ghostbusters 2016 came out and... it was fine? The ghosts themselves were kind of forgettable and the theatrical cut kept way too many unnecessary ad-libbed jokes, but the latter is addressed quite brilliantly by the Ghostbusters III fanedit (which I highly recommend) and overall it was so much better than Ghostbusters II. Unfortunately, as the result of the weaponization of the backlash against Ghostbusters 2016 and the release of the depressingly cynical Ghostbusters: Afterlife, I guess something inside me broke and now I am honestly sick of Ghostbusters as an IP and I feel like any fond memories I have of it has been retroactively tainted. Oh well...

 

As far as video games go, I seem unable to handle most platformers these days. Although I never could finish most of them, I remember playing the shit out of platformers such as Super Mario World, Donkey Kong Country 1&2 and Super Mario All-Stars on the Super Nintendo, Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins, Donkey Kong Land and Kirby's Dream Land 2 on the Game Boy and the Sonic The Hedgehog Trilogy on the Sega Genesis. Nowadays, however, I just cannot bring myself to play them anymore and I am not sure why. Maybe I am more easily bored or maybe I have a lesser tolerance to stress and frustration? Either way, that one is kind of a shame. I can live with not watching Ghostbusters for the bazillionth time, but this recent inability to enjoy a genre that I used to love is honestly heartbreaking.

 

As for comic books, fucking Lucky Luke. In recent years, it has dawned on me that the series is incredibly repetitive - to the point where the last few volumes written by the original author would feature entire pages with the same drawings blatantly copy-pasted over and over again with only the dialogue changing (à la Garfield, another comic book that I no longer love) - and constantly rehashes the same jokes and plot points (again, like Garfield). However, unlike Garfield, it is also incredibly and furiously racist. Like, holy shit. The depictions of indigenous people are oftentimes downright insulting (either cartoonishly evil and/or child-like), the black characters are all stereotypes straight out of a Reconstruction-era minstrel show and Chinese characters make OG Lo Wang come across as tasteful in comparison.

Edited November 23, 2023 by Rudolph
Reworded title

[Sonikkumania]

E : I changed my mind.

I seriously think the Sonic the Hedgehog franchise is a morbid twisted work of art. The difference is I happen to still like this art, though sometimes not. It's seasonal.

Edited November 22, 2023 by Sonikkumania

[Master O]

1 hour ago, Rudolph said:

When it comes to movies, it is definitely Ghostbusters 1984. It was my favorite movie as a a child and I must have seen it more times than I remember. The Real Ghostbusters cartoon was not half-bad either, at least the first two seasons, and even though I found myself underwhelmed by Ghostbusters II,  Extreme Ghostbusters and Ghostbusters: The Video Game, I was still looking forward to a third Ghostbusters movie. Then, Ghostbusters 2016 came out and... it was fine? The ghosts themselves were kind of forgettable and the theatrical cut kept way too many unnecessary ad-libbed jokes, but the latter is addressed quite brilliantly by the Ghostbusters III fanedit (which I highly recommend) and overall it was so much better than Ghostbusters II. Unfortunately, as the result of the weaponization of the backlash against Ghostbusters 2016 and the release of the depressingly cynical Ghostbusters: Afterlife, I guess something inside me broke and now I am honestly sick of Ghostbusters as an IP and I feel like any fond memories I have of it has been retroactively tainted. Oh well...

 

As far as video games go, I seem unable to handle most platformers these days. Although I never could finish most of them, I remember playing the shit out of platformers such as Super Mario World, Donkey Kong Country 1&2 and Super Mario All-Stars on the Super Nintendo, Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins, Donkey Kong Land and Kirby's Dream Land 2 on the Game Boy and the Sonic The Hedgehog Trilogy on the Sega Genesis. Nowadays, however, I just cannot bring myself to play them anymore and I am not sure why. Maybe I am more easily bored or maybe I have a lesser tolerance to stress and frustration? Either way, that one is kind of a shame. I can live with not watching Ghostbusters for the bazillionth time, but this recent inability to enjoy a genre that I used to love is honestly heartbreaking.

 

As for comic books, fucking Lucky Luke. In recent years, it has dawned on me that the series is incredibly repetitive - to the point where the last few volumes written by the original author would feature entire pages with the same drawings blatantly copy-pasted over and over again with only the dialogue changing (à la Garfield, another comic book that I no longer love) - and constantly rehashes the same jokes and plot points (again, like Garfield). However, unlike Garfield, it is also incredibly and furiously racist. Like, holy shit. The depictions of indigenous people are oftentimes downright insulting (either cartoonishly evil and/or child-like), the black characters are all stereotypes straight out of a Reconstruction-era minstrel show and Chinese characters make OG Lo Wang come across as tasteful in comparison.

 

As you age, your tastes change.  That's just a fact of life.

[Rudolph]

13 minutes ago, Master O said:

As you age, your tastes change.  That's just a fact of life.

There are still plenty of things that I still love - namely Doom. :P

 

What about you? Any stuff that you do not like anymore?

 

1 hour ago, Sonikkumania said:

I seriously think the Sonic the Hedgehog franchise is a morbid twisted work of art.

Why is that?

 

My issue with Sonic is that the level design is so counter-intuitive: the game wants you to go fast, but then keep throwing obstacles in your way to force you to slow down. Sonic as a character is still fun and the soundtrack kicks ass, that being said!

Edited November 22, 2023 by Rudolph

[Master O]

4 minutes ago, Rudolph said:

There are still plenty of things that I still love - namely Doom. :P

 

What about you? Any stuff that you do not like anymore?

 

Although I feel similarly about platformers, my gaming tastes haven't really changed. I still like FPS-es but am also trying to branch out into other genres, like Western RPGs. (Western as in made in the US or Europe, not cowboy movies).

[Rudolph]

I do not think it is necessarily age so much as a frame of mind; not long ago, I played the shit out of Fallout 1, 2 and 3, but now I just cannot bring myself to invest time and efforts in either New Vegas or any game of the kind. Similarly, there is the Mass Effect series: played the shit out of ME1 and especially 2, never really bothered with 3 beyond the demo (which I did not even complete) and Andromeda, and I do not see myself ever going back to the series, especially now that I know what it ultimately amounts to. I know the upcoming Mass Effect 5 is teading the return of Liara T'Soni, but eh. I do not know, I just do not feel like revisiting that universe.

 

Controversely, I wish I could send my past self Kirby's Dream Land 3 to see if they would like it. I played the second one on Game Boy to completion, which took me a good while, but by the time I found out about the existence of the third one, I had since moved on from the Kirby franchise. I did play it a bit and it seemed like a good sequel, but... I do not know, the spark was not there anymore.

Edited November 22, 2023 by Rudolph

[LadyMistDragon]

Korn was a band I really liked in high school but not too long after, I started finding them bland and mostly not worth listening to, though some songs were exceptions. The same goes with several other nu-metal bands like Godsmack or Limp Bizkit.

[P_A_Z]

Deftones is also considered as a band of Nu Metal, but Chino Moreno is not agree. They are more alternative and more skilled (subtil) than a neo metal band. They included shoegazing in their albums. Chino is inspired principally by The Cure, his favorite band is the Bad Brains, and Steph by Meshuggah, his favorite album is Chaosphere, that make the difference somewhat with Korn.

[MrFroz]

I feel like this thread should be renamed to "Media that you do not love anymore" as video games aren't technically considered an art form.

 

My answer: Back in 2009, I used to be the biggest Marilyn Manson fan you'd ever meet. I loved the band and all of its musical output, including the much-maligned Eat Me, Drink Me and The High End of Low albums, except for maybe Smells Like Children which was hard for me to listen to all the way through, but even then I loved the covers and one or two of the remixes from that one. I waited three years eagerly for Born Villain and was not disappointed at all.

 

Fast forward to 2015 and The Pale Emperor was touted as a comeback album of sorts. I listened to it but liked only one or two songs which I forgot quickly about. Then Heaven Upside Down was released and except for Saturnalia, I thought the rest of the album was lukewarm. More recently I heard We Are Chaos and I didn't like a single song and I'm actually surprised those three records I mentioned got so many good reviews.

 

Nowadays Manson is a pitiful guy who was thrown under the bus by his record label and manager and was sentenced to community service but truth is, I stopped caring way before all that. I just think that at some point there was only controversy surrounding him but the art just wasn't up to snuff - for one he objectively never matured as a musician, and the thing that drew me in the first place were his vocals but in the latest albums I feel like his voice is so layered and overly processed that it sounds grating to me. None of the people that worked on his best albums, like John 5 or Ginger Fish, were collaborating with him anymore. The music videos went from being some of the best stuff on MTV to really low and dumb efforts (the Deep Six video...). And eventually I started realizing that The High End of Low indeed was deserving of its bad reputation even though I enjoyed it a lot, just somehow at the time I didn't pick it up but last time I heard it I noticed his vocals sound so bad at times like the scream at the start of the song that drops the album title on the lyrics that I don't understand how they made the final cut. Glass-shattering bad (have a sample).

 

I also used to be a huge fan of Nirvana, and still enjoy listening to songs every now and then but as the 30th Anniversary Edition of In Utero comes out I can't help but feel dull about the idea of hearing a collection featuring the same old songs strewn across five discs in different formats, most of which I have probably already heard by now on bootlegs or priorly released compilations. I also didn't watch Montage of Heck and probably never will.

Edited November 23, 2023 by MrFroz

[DNSKILL5]

The Cosby Show for obvious reasons. Grew up with that show, grew up believing “America’s Dad” was a legit good person, and now that the truth is out, it’s basically impossible to separate the man from that show, so I no longer watched it despite the fond memories I had of the show growing up. 

[Rudolph]

1 hour ago, MrFroz said:

Nowadays Manson is a pitiful guy who was thrown under the bus by his record label and manager and was sentenced to community service but truth is, I stopped caring way before all that.

Also, a horrible prick if reports - including the account of his ex-girlfriend Rachel Evan Wood - are accurate.

 

1 hour ago, MrFroz said:

I feel like this thread should be renamed to "Media that you do not love anymore" as video games aren't technically considered an art form.

Nah, fuck that. It is my thread, I decide what passes as art or not and I say video games absolutely do. :P

 

On a serious note, though, I was under the impression that the whole argument about video games not being art more or less died with Roger Ebert. Not that I have ever resented the guy or anything, but honestly, I do not think I have actually heard it again after he passed away.

Edited November 23, 2023 by Rudolph

[TheMagicMushroomMan]

 

This used to be my favorite painting of all time until someone told me it was made by John Wayne. I was always more of a Clint Eastwood kind of guy.

[Li'l devil]

Any art or media whose creator later ended up in a controversy, because I enjoy cancelling creators!

[Mr. Freeze]

Opie and Anthony. After listening to Ron and Fez I consider them a superior show. 

[Chezza]

As a teenager I use to love Insane Clown Posse. I usually hide that fact in public nowdays. But despite my thoughts on their fan base and their questionable varying levels of musical quality, I respect how they did create a unique spin to rap. Some songs were like 80s and 90s horror story telling in rap form and are fun to listen even to this day.

Edited November 23, 2023 by Chezza

[SupremeBioVizier]

MYOWN

Edited November 23, 2023 by SupremeBioVizier

[Xcalibur]

I think it helps to separate art from artist, and both from the culture wars.

[Craneo]

Nostalgia Critic, honestly was a big fan as a teenager, later stuff started becomming very mid or awful, really didn't like when they straight up stopped showing clips of the movies honestly... or maybe I just grew up, no idea.

[Sonikkumania]

10 hours ago, Rudolph said:

Why is that?

In the positive aspects of the terms, mind you.

But really. As a franchise that started off as an platformer daring to challenge might of Nintendo, Sonic has impacted the world in both good and bad. I don't time to go on full research and article at this point but I don't feel like exaggerating when I'm saying the franchise is like a video game religion.. and if we can say art creates impact then this definately is the case.

 

Btw I think Punk is dead (I don't love it now).

[Amaruψ]

I once used to be a die-hard Beatles fan. Anything else, no matter who was the artist was inferior to my ears. However, as soon as I started to mature, I realized that Beatles are more or less far too overrated and there's certainly better music, even during the time that they were together. So now, apart from a few tracks from George Harrison, I'm not a fan of the rest of their catalog once I've heard it beyond the ears of a fanboy.

 

I'm afraid to even say that out loud anywhere where there might be any Beatles fans. Whenever I look over at them, I see a younger me which makes me cringe to death. Thanks for the almighty arch-vile to keep resurrecting me.

Edited November 23, 2023 by Amaruψ

[EraserheadBaby]

The Crow

[Naarok0fkor]

[DankMetal]

The Michael Bay's transformers movies. I loved them as a kid because "OMG EXPLOTIONS! BIG ROBOTS! D E A T H!111!!", that was me until i saw "Age of Extintion", that movie was so bad that even as a kid made me question my fanatism for the whole franchise. Hopefully, i remembered that there's plenty of good things about transformers (the 86 movie, Animated, the masterpiece figures, etc) and i'm still a fan to this day.

[Rudolph]

59 minutes ago, DankMetal said:

there's plenty of good things about transformers (the 86 movie, Animated, the masterpiece figures, etc)

Do not forget about BEAST WARS!!!

 

 

Or at least, its first season. For season two, the showrunners decided to diegetically redesign most characters to look ugly as sin - and sometimes downright ridiculous, like Optimus Prime's new hoverboard-riding cyborg gorilla form (!) - and killed off way too many characters, including fan-favorite Tigertron (why), and had them replaced by forgettable dorks, like Silverbolt (UGH!) and Quickstrike.

 

8 hours ago, Craneo said:

Nostalgia Critic, honestly was a big fan as a teenager, later stuff started becomming very mid or awful, really didn't like when they straight up stopped showing clips of the movies honestly... or maybe I just grew up, no idea.

Not to mention his mind-blowingly ill-advised video "parody" of Pink Floyd's The Wall - which had the unintended silver lining of prompting video essayist Dan "Folding Ideas" Olson to make an excellent review of Pink Floyd's The Wall and a brutal takedown of Doug Walker:

 

 

Edited November 23, 2023 by Rudolph

[DankMetal]

7 minutes ago, Rudolph said:

Do not forget about BEAST WARS!!!

 

 

Or at least, its first season. For season two, the showrunners decided to diegetically redesign most characters to look ugly as sin - and sometimes downright ridiculous, like Optimus Prime's new hoverboard-riding cyborg gorilla form (!) - and killed off way too many characters, including fan-favorite Tigertron (why), and had them replaced by forgettable dorks, like Silverbolt (UGH!) and Quickstrike.

Oh yeah, i forgot about that series

I actually love it from beginning to end, the story and characters where good enpugh to make me ignore the dated designs and animation (although this one was actually improving with the time), and yeah, killing characters and introducing new ones abruptly because a Hasbro executive said so is a problem the franchise has been facing since G1, i mean, that's the reason they killed optimus prime in the 86 movie.

8 hours ago, Craneo said:

Nostalgia Critic, honestly was a big fan as a teenager, later stuff started becomming very mid or awful, really didn't like when they straight up stopped showing clips of the movies honestly... or maybe I just grew up, no idea.

Hey, at least i can appreciate Dough for taking criticism maturely, something i can't say about other AVGN clones...

Also, for what i read from his fans, he seems like a genuinely good guy

[Rudolph]

37 minutes ago, DankMetal said:

i mean, that's the reason they killed optimus prime in the 86 movie.

That one ended up working in the movie's favor, though, as it raised the stakes significantly and added much-needed dramatic tension.

 

37 minutes ago, DankMetal said:

Also, for what i read from his fans, he seems like a genuinely good guy

I do not know, he seems to have alienated a lot of his former associates. Not sure how much of it is Doug's fault directly, but he certainly was complicit at the end of the day, since at the very least he let it all happen.

Edited November 23, 2023 by Rudolph

[Aaron Blain]

I used to be a more intense admirer of Quentin Tarantino and Terry Gilliam, but as I've aged there are only a couple of movies from each of them that have really stuck with me.

 

As my political/historical outlook has changed over the past several years, I'm finding that scifi and fantasy novels give me less joy than they used to. Even with my favorites like Tolkien and Moorcock, I see through the writing to their motivations and it takes away a lot of the magic for me.

[Uncle 80]

I used to really enjoy Nine Inch Nails, and now I really don't enjoy them. But I was miserable in my late teens. Was I listening to NIN because I was miserable, or was I miserable because I listened to NIN? Same goes for a bunch of other "edgy artists" like Marilyn Manson, Korn, and some others. Crap redundant industrial like KMFDM.

 

When I was in my late childhood / early teens, I collected Marvel Comics. Now I strongly dislike Marvel, and superheroes in general. Maybe it's because I eventually discovered that superhero comics and movies are total garbage? Except the 90's Batman Movies of course. And the "original reboot" or what the heck I should call those from 2006-ish, they were also decent. I must stress that a huge part of my dislike for Marvel stems from how society has incorporated the super hero aestethic into culture in general. It's everywhere - children's animated shows, TV, movies, clothing, blehhhh. Even all those "adult" american comics like the stuff from Vertigo is oversaturated with superhero influences except they're fantasy or supernatural/occult themed instead. Booooring

Edited November 23, 2023 by Uncle 80

[Rudolph]

1 hour ago, Aaron Blain said:

I used to be a more intense admirer of Quentin Tarantino

Oh yeah, I too used to think that Quentin Tarantino could do no wrong.

 

Sure, I did not like Jackie Brown, but I was willing to let it slide as the exception. Inglorious Basterds was a mixed bag: I liked Shosanna's plot, but every scene involving the titular Basterds bored and frustrated me. Then, I could not finish Django Unchained and I just could not be bothered with The Hateful Eight and Once Upon A Time In Hollywood.

[Gmg]

New EDM music. Kind of liked it, but the style of most the songs from 2010 and later are kind of weird and listening multiple times becomes annoying. 

I mean, too much use of distorted voices and dubstep shit, nothing smooth like the 90's edm music.

Edited November 23, 2023 by Gmg