thoughts on The Doom Awards™

[ReaperAA]

4 hours ago, hakros said:

I DON'T ANSWER TO YOU AND CAN DO WHATEVER I DAMN WANT, SO PLEASE STOP TELLING US WHAT TO DO.

 

Do we go to your projects to give you orders? No, right?

 

I don't think anyone here is giving you orders. You can do whatever the hell you want with Doom Awards to be honest.

 

But people have a right to criticize. It's hypocritical when you and your buddies (Drugod) can say stuff like "i didn't win a Cacoward because I am not trans" or shit like that" But when someone criticizes your awards, you go full defensive.

 

Personally speaking, I was looking forward to what Doom Awards were like, and I still hope that you learn from this and do better next year. But this edition of Doom Awards hasn't been anything but a utter disappointment.

Edited December 25, 2023 by ReaperAA

[Major Arlene]

3 hours ago, RDETalus said:

a video presentation would be pretty cool.

If they bother playing WADs in the right renderer, which would require the minimum of two minutes of researching a WAD that clearly wasn't done.

[Bridgeburner56]

4 hours ago, hakros said:

Apart from this constant annoyance with te use of AI, as I say, we have no conflicts with anyone, of course, as soon as you read this message, I know the next comments will be the same as always and you'll continue like this for eternity....right?? I encourage you to prove me right.

Your server is awash with claims I dictate who wins the Cacowards behind the scenes. Pony up with proof or shut the fuck up. Either way your claim you have no conflicts with anyone is more flimsy than a wet bus ticket

4 hours ago, hakros said:

Like i said, I don't have to explain myself to anyone, like Batandy did a few days ago for example about Golden Souls 3, and people came out to give their opinion on how bad using AI is for development...(everyone knows who said it).

Yeah it was me, said in pubic woooo big mystery super secret! I left it up deliberately because I'm more than happy to stand behind my public statements. I'll say it again now: AI generated content is a blight on the creative industry. Stop trying to be coy, you're not good at it.

46 minutes ago, Scuba Steve said:

Why not the 'Boom Awards?' Instead of focusing on Doom, which is pretty well covered, highlight the best in the 'Boomer Shooter' genre? You could carve out a small section for best in Doom/Duke/Quake/Wolf mods, and then write about all the other shooters coming out?

Zlimbratiski actually did that this year and it was really fucking cool. Perfect example of how to start your own awards show.

[Major Arlene]

4 hours ago, hakros said:

When we started the initiative, it wasn't intended to undermine anyone

Cool, very nice.

 

So why did you reference the ZDoom forums drama when you started?

[Bauul]

I feel like this thread's days are pretty numbered, but I just had to say, I am all here for Hakros giving us 2023's version of "You humour me greatly".

 

I am very glad this topic disturbed us all enough to waste time commenting on it!

Edited December 25, 2023 by Bauul

[realjohnmadden]

Been reading through the whole thread - how the hell does someone grow up to become this petty? I really ought to buy some popcorn and read through the Doom Awards articles, these are clearly better than the clearly biased "Cac" "Owards".

(GOD I cannot get over that fucking "statement" with the randomly bolded words its so funny. get the guy from the psx doom ending to read it)

 

[Ludi]

I think this guy is just huffing copium because the community wasn't privy to his award show that clearly didn't have the passion or effort of an event like the Cacowards. 

 

It doesn't need to have the production value of the Cacowards, just the passion. It's clear it has neither and the purpose was just to make an award show out of spite. As a result, the event is a load of piss and I feel sorry for my friends who had their projects associated with this nonsense.

 

They should probably just swallow your pride and make nice with the wider community.

Edited December 25, 2023 by Ludi

[Dynamo]

8 minutes ago, Ludi said:

the community wasn't privy to his award show that clearly didn't have the passion or effort of an event like the Cacowards.

I don't think anyone would expect a new awards show to have the same amount of work put into it, or experience, as one that has been running for 20 years. But therein lies the problem, this isn't a matter of inexperience or flawed production, this is a matter of it being a purely spite-driven project which ended up cutting every corner imaginable to reach the finish line. And in doing so lied repeatedly and attacked other users seemingly at random. If that didn't happen and all we got was the inexperience, I'm sure most would find it charming in a way and wish for it to improve. Instead, we can all admire the false information by ChatGPT and bizarre AI art which shows Mt. Pain made of metal for some reason. And if the response to criticism is going to be Don't Tell Me What To Do, I'd say that about completes the package.

[Ludi]

9 minutes ago, Dynamo said:

I don't think anyone would expect a new awards show to have the same amount of work put into it, or experience, as one that has been running for 20 years. But therein lies the problem, this isn't a matter of inexperience or flawed production, this is a matter of it being a purely spite-driven project which ended up cutting every corner imaginable to reach the finish line. 

 

That's literally what I said, though:

 

"It doesn't need to have the production value of the Cacowards, just the passion. It's clear it has neither and the purpose was just to make an award show out of spite."

 

(apologies for being a pedant haha)

Edited December 25, 2023 by Ludi

[Dynamo]

I was indeed elaborating on your point, my bad, should've specified. :P

[TheUltimateDoomer666]

5 hours ago, hakros said:

Regarding the use of AI, as I said, we've used it when we saw fit, and yes, we used it for promotional images. And the question is, you don't like it? Well, I respect that, but you should respect what I want to do, or do I have to do what you want??

The Doom Awards posted AI-generated art on their Twitter account, and claimed it was made by their friend "MariaSteele", who doesn't seem to exist (I cannot find anyone by that name in the DOOM community who makes art). Why not just say it's AI-generated instead of making up imaginary people? At that point the use of AI isn't even the problem. You're just being dishonest.

Edited December 25, 2023 by TheUltimateDoomer666

[cannonball]

Disturbed is not the word I would use to describe most people’s reactions to the Doomawards. More slightly baffled and a little sad about how the whole resulting package looks like. I like many others would have been delighted to see something authentic, even if it was rough around the edges. 
In the end it just doesn’t come across as if your passion for the game and the wads you liked were the top priority and your first sentence in your reply absolutely doubles down on that mindset. It is a shame because this could have been a great  alternative perspective on this years doom output, but alas. I get the feeling that this forum is not going to be the only one where you need to justify your actions to. 
 

In conclusion, be better than this, be authentic and passionate. Writing quality comes with experience but if what you produced has the heart behind it, then people will take notice of what you are doing and this alternative awards ceremony might get some proper traction.

[Doomkid]

40 minutes ago, Dynamo said:

Instead, we can all admire the false information by ChatGPT and bizarre AI art which shows Mt. Pain made of metal for some reason. 

Erm, his name is Mt. Paint 27, thank you very much.

 

[Garland]

I desperately need to get back to work in UDB, but this is such an enthralling read. For the handful of Cacoawards I've read, they always struck me as an intense labor of love and dedication to Doom. That doesn't give it any divine right or exclusivity to be 'the' awards event for Doom; the Cacoawards stand on their own merit. Nothing is stopping other presentations from making their own name in the community at large.

 

Hakros can in fact do whatever Hakros wants, but I'm not getting much out of this bizarre messaging other than "STOP POSTING THINGS I DON'T LIKE".

Edited December 25, 2023 by Garland

[Murdoch]

13 hours ago, hakros said:

Hello everyone, guys and girls, I'm glad that the topic has disturbed you enough to waste time commenting on it.

 

This whole thing is hands down one of the stupidest things i have ever seen. You're an absolute fool if you thought for a second anything you have said here was going to help your case.

 

It's awards for a fucking game. It's all subjective opinion. No one gives a flying fuck if you create another awards thing. The very idea is so ludicrous thinking about it makes my brain hurt. The cacowards are not some sacred thing, it's just a bunch of fans giving credit to creations they deem worthy. But you're so angry and defensive that you're taking genuine critique absolutely the wrong way. Some of the phrasing of said criticism might be on the harsh side, but given the way you conduct yourself it's probably deserved.

 

Take it on the chin. Learn. Do better. And chill the hell out.

Edited December 25, 2023 by Murdoch

[mrthejoshmon]

@hakros

I'ma be real here boss, the main issue everyone has with the Doom Awards (and I mean, the Doom general public, not the "guys you have beef with") is the fact that it was so cobbled together, two major reasons:

 

You used a crypto currency website template with the fucking coins still on that shit on the main page, the page itself refers to itself as a store and a lot of drop down features lead nowhere/do nothing.

 

You "translated" (if I am to believe this claim) the articles from Spanish using AI and brother it made the entire thing read like AI wrote it to begin with, it would have been ultimately better just to post it in Spanish.

 

We do not give a shit that you made your own award show, no we want more award shows, this whole thing however was, to put it in layman's, not fuckin it chief.

Edited December 25, 2023 by mrthejoshmon

[LuciferSam86]

6 hours ago, hakros said:

 

 

I DON'T ANSWER TO YOU AND CAN DO WHATEVER I DAMN WANT, SO PLEASE STOP TELLING US WHAT TO DO.
 

 

 

If you do an event for the community, take some criticism and instead to do a mature "damage control" you write this, you got everything wrong. 

[Li'l devil]

53 minutes ago, Doomkid said:

Erm, his name is Mt. Paint 27, thank you very much.

First hashtaging the wrong person on Twitter, now getting someone's name comically wrong. They can't do anything right.

 

I know most people suggest them to improve and put actual effort into it next year, but honestly with this amount of negligence I suggest them to never try anything again and just stay away from the community, lol

[EduardoAndFriends]

Heck, I’d watch the hell out of a genuine Spanish language doom awards show. My Spanish is atrocious but I’d at least be able to get the gist! If the passion is on display, I don’t care if I don’t understand the language, I’d yum it up. My baffled incomprehension would make it even more enjoyable!

[Redneckerz]

6 hours ago, hakros said:

Hello everyone, guys and girls, I'm glad that the topic has disturbed you enough to waste time commenting on it.

If all you geniunely wanted was valid feedback and criticism, starting off with this is the least preferable way of achieving it.

 

Ofcourse, there is always the saying negative attention is also attention but what good does that do to you? It undermines your own efforts and just makes you feel like shit. You don't realize that now since my current impression is that you enjoy the negativity, but trust me - Eventually that kind of coolaid energy will eat on you.

6 hours ago, hakros said:

Regarding the use of AI, as I said, we've used it when we saw fit, and yes, we used it for promotional images. And the question is, you don't like it? Well, I respect that, but you should respect what I want to do, or do I have to do what you want??

The thing is that if you are going to use that, use it well - The background of the page literally has images of coins in the backdrop. And i much prefer text in original language and then have a human translate it for you.

 

A big part of the Cacowards charm is in the fact that it is handwritten. Which is why it is such an effort to undertake. Surely, you can understand that by using ChatGPT to translate to English, you are effectively doing a shortcut and in spirit doing the exact opposite of what the Cacowards make the Cacowards?

 

6 hours ago, hakros said:

I DON'T ANSWER TO YOU AND CAN DO WHATEVER I DAMN WANT, SO PLEASE STOP TELLING US WHAT TO DO.

If the antithesis of your tirade and charade is to write in CAPS in a child-like manner, please consider what you want out of the Doom community.

 

Its phrasing like this why the Doom Awards doesn't work. If it is handled by someone who throws such a fit.

 

5 hours ago, Ludi said:

 

Then why did you make a several paragraph post doing just that? :p

That's just a bug in ChatGPT. Don't sweat it.

[MoiraHeart]

1 hour ago, Doomkid said:

Erm, his name is Mt. Paint 27, thank you very much.

 

At least something positive came outta this event. Dude of Doom deserves more recognition!!!!

[riktoi]

that hakros post was a hilarious pile of nothing. when anything of substance in that post is responding to criticism with deflection and them telling just how much they don't care what anyone thinks of the doom awards (spoilers: they do care), you really wonder how little of their work is of genuine passion and not plain spite.

[LuciferSam86]

35 minutes ago, Redneckerz said:

If all you geniunely wanted was valid feedback and criticism, starting off with this is the least preferable way of achieving it.

 

Ofcourse, there is always the saying negative attention is also attention but what good does that do to you? It undermines your own efforts and just makes you feel like shit. You don't realize that now since my current impression is that you enjoy the negativity, but trust me - Eventually that kind of coolaid energy will eat on you.

The thing is that if you are going to use that, use it well - The background of the page literally has images of coins in the backdrop. And i much prefer text in original language and then have a human translate it for you.

 

A big part of the Cacowards charm is in the fact that it is handwritten. Which is why it is such an effort to undertake. Surely, you can understand that by using ChatGPT to translate to English, you are effectively doing a shortcut and in spirit doing the exact opposite of what the Cacowards make the Cacowards?

 

If the antithesis of your tirade and charade is to write in CAPS in a child-like manner, please consider what you want out of the Doom community.

 

Its phrasing like this why the Doom Awards doesn't work. If it is handled by someone who throws such a fit.

 

That's just a bug in ChatGPT. Don't sweat it.

Quoting this 100% , this childish behavior surely doesn't help at all

[Gothic]

The whole thing is AI generated, that's all there is to know. Language barrier is not an excuse, this wasn't made to celebrate the community, this was made to get clicks.

[Insaneprophet]

Merry Christmas Happy Holidays ALL! I have no opinions to share on this topic but I would like to use this thread as a spring board to say how cool it is that no one has ever pointed out how most of my "reviews" and comments on these forums read very much like they were A.I. generated and then edited by a 16 year old pot head from the 90s to hopefully sound both human and cool. I swear, none of that is true, I actually think up and write this stuff... no machines are utilized. May Santa have brought everyone what they wanted most!

Edited December 25, 2023 by Insaneprophet

[scwiba]

So I've previously felt it was pointless to post in this thread, but if @hakros is actually here I do want to share some genuine suggestions. Your awards haven't exactly been the big success you were hoping for, and you have an uphill battle at this point. But there's a lot you can still do.

 

Number one is to distance yourself from AI stuff. Let's take everything you've said about ChatGPT at face value. Even if the only thing you had the AI do is translate text, I don't think any creative community is going to react well to content generated by AI. Since you're doing community picks decided by votes, I guess I question why there need to be write-ups at all. A simple list of the winners would be fine, maybe with a more refined streaming show to announce them. That format would help to differentiate from the Cacowards.

 

If you're set on keeping the written format, the obvious solution is to bring on more writers. If that's not possible, change the timeline for the awards. I keep seeing this idea that you cut corners because there was a lack of time. But who forced you to do everything in X days? Why do the awards need to be posted in December? Just give yourself more time.

 

Respect the creators you're trying to honor. Double-check their names and @ the correct person if you mention them. If someone doesn't want to be featured in your awards, take them out. Make sure you play the nominated projects to see if they even fit in the categories they're in. I recall one of the early signs of trouble at the Doom Awards being when we started to see projects shoved into categories that they didn't even belong in.

 

Finally, dump the AI images. Pay a real artist to make a banner and some award graphics and you can use those every year. A small cost upfront and you're set for the foreseeable future. EDIT: To clarify this point, it's not that we "don't like" AI art. It's just hard to believe you're serious about celebrating creators when you're using a technology famous for ripping off the work of creators.

Edited December 25, 2023 by scwiba

[Li'l devil]

Oh, the Doom Awards! They're like the Oscars for the world of video games! It's a super cool event that celebrates the most outstanding achievements in the gaming industry. I mean, it's where we get to see the best of the best honored for their hard work and creativity. From game design to storytelling, soundtracks, and even performances, it's all about acknowledging excellence.

 

The event isn't just about recognizing big-budget titles; it also appreciates indie games, which I think is fantastic. I mean, these days, indie games are producing some of the most innovative and compelling experiences out there, so it's awesome to see them getting the spotlight they deserve.

 

You know, these awards often spark interesting discussions in the gaming community, too. They can shine a light on games that may have been overlooked and inspire players to explore new titles they might have missed. It's all about celebrating the vibrant and diverse world of gaming.

 

The event often creates a buzz around new and upcoming game releases, too, as developers and publishers strive to create content that could potentially earn them a coveted spot in future award ceremonies.

 

As for the specific winners and nominees, it all depends on the year, the judges, and, of course, the games themselves. I'd be happy to look up the most recent Doom Awards winners if you'd like - it's always fascinating to see what's been recognized for excellence in gaming!

 

So, what's the most recent game you've played that you think is award-worthy? Or maybe there's a particular game or category you're curious about?

 

By the way, speaking of games, have you heard of 'Returnal'? It's this fantastic roguelike game that came out recently, and it's been generating quite the buzz. The way it blends responsive, challenging gameplay with a gripping narrative is really something special. If you're into intense action and mind-bending storytelling, it might just be up your alley!

 

Anyway, I'd love to hear your thoughts on the Doom Awards and the games that have caught your eye!

[JackDBS]

Just remembered that the Doom community banned computer generated maps over 20 years ago which makes this ten times funnier.

[HiMyNameIsChair]

12 hours ago, hakros said:

I DON'T ANSWER TO YOU AND CAN DO WHATEVER I DAMN WANT, SO PLEASE STOP TELLING US WHAT TO DO.

 

 

[Major Arlene]

5 hours ago, scwiba said:

If you're set on keeping the written format, the obvious solution is to bring on more writers. If that's not possible, change the timeline for the awards. I keep seeing this idea that you cut corners because there was a lack of time. But who forced you to do everything in X days? Why do the awards need to be posted in December? Just give yourself more time.

Worth noting that the awards were also released December 15, 5 days ahead of the deadline set by the rules posted on the site, which was December 20.

 

2 hours ago, JackDBS said:

Just remembered that the Doom community banned computer generated maps over 20 years ago which makes this ten times funnier.

Obsidian Level Generator ironically won this first installment's award of Best Software.

Edited December 25, 2023 by Major Arlene
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