Emulator future

[Dimon12321]

Citra and Yuzu were open-source emulators. Their work was known to public and other developers, I'm sure, were referencing their ground-work.

Here is an alternative, Ryujinx. Nobody sues them. It's open source.

https://github.com/Ryujinx/Ryujinx

[Murdoch]

8 hours ago, Scottier681 said:

When I brought all of this up, I was concerned that the yuzu lawsuit could set a precedent against ANY emulation, ports or other methods of playing games other than the exact versions the companies put out (ex. Doom 64 remaster only through the ways sold, no source ports).

 

It possibly could. But as I pointed out, a company incredibly unlikely to spend thousands of dollars to shut down an emulator/home brew port with no return on that investment. The points I made seem to have sailed straight over your head - the Switch is a going concern, and any emulators of it are going to affect Nintendo's sales, so of COURSE they did this. It's only a shock it took so long. When I first heard of this I thought it must have been relatively new. But again, as I said, the odds of say SEGA suddenly deciding to sue the makers of Retroarch for supporting Master System and Mega Drive/Genesis ROMs are all but nil. The Yuzu developers knew they didn't have a legal leg to stand on and Nintendo would arguably lose money by not taking them out, so they folded.

 

8 hours ago, Scottier681 said:

Maybe I'm overreacting but it seems like these game companies not only do not care about their games(IP), but only the profit from selling it THEIR way through either digital or granted permission of physical releases.

 

The bigger the company, the more money they are going to want to make and the more they are going to want to control how their products are distributed. Getting upset/shocked/frustrated/whatever about a company that just wants to make money on the next big thing is like getting upset at the starving bear you just tried to pat ripped your guts open and snacked on your innards. I am sure at some level there's employees who do love what they do and want to see it preserved for all time, but the bean counters at the top couldn't give less of a fuck. Not saying I agree with this situation, just simply saying that's how it is.

 

2 hours ago, Scottier681 said:

I don't have a particular game that I can't play ( currently there are emulators still to do so) but my point was to say ( to the person who made that initial comment ) what if? If you cared about a particular game and emulators get stopped legally and there were no other ways to play them if the big corporations didn't make them available what would you think, feel, say then?

 

If there's a particular game you love, it's your responsibility to safe guard it to the best of your ability. Not companies, not anyone on the internet - yours. If it's a particular emulator and ROM, back it up. People say that once it's on the internet it's forever, but that's not always true. Most game stores offer (for PC at least) ways to make your own local backups of the data. You can restore it, and block it from updating to a newer version generally. If it's a CD/DVD, copy it. If it's in a hard drive in a console, clone it. Simple. I am a big history buff. I am 100% for preservation. But the practical reality is, it has limits because we have limits. For every Shakespearean play, Homer's Odyssey, or Bach symphony that's made it's way down to us over the centuries, there are countless more works lost to the inevitable march of time.

 

Do the best you can to preserve whatever matters to you, and enjoy it while you have it. But you need to make peace with the idea that nothing is forever.

[Cutman 999]

people heavily missinterpreted why nintendo forced to close Yuzu. Outside of "emulating current console thing", it was mostly because of what yuzu did behind the scenes with some shady patreon stuff.

 

https://imgur.com/ZWoSZSt

Edited March 12, 2024 by Cutman 999

[Scottier681]

Thanks for response  crocmagnum, like i said nothing major PRESENT tense but I'm old enough to have loved the old arcade machines and appreciated MAME for bringing them home. I actually own the 1988 arcade ninja gaiden. But not really functioning well, mame saved me. Some older NES carts I had a hard time finding, and my old nes out of order so emulators saved me there as well. Movies no longer on DVD or Blu-ray either on streaming or cable stripped down, no extras, etc. music like you said, books out of print missing stuff in digital form, words removed, etc. my main concern was that if Nintendo can prove illegal activity with yuzu, how many others Nintendo can argue are putting out roms, emulators and possibly making profit? Surely if one than many. That's my concern. Can these big companies convince legalities that ALL things being done outside their supervision and billing is completely wrong and try to stop all of it? Games, movies, books.

[Murdoch]

10 hours ago, Scottier681 said:

Thanks for response  crocmagnum, like i said nothing major PRESENT tense but I'm old enough to have loved the old arcade machines and appreciated MAME for bringing them home. I actually own the 1988 arcade ninja gaiden. But not really functioning well, mame saved me. Some older NES carts I had a hard time finding, and my old nes out of order so emulators saved me there as well. Movies no longer on DVD or Blu-ray either on streaming or cable stripped down, no extras, etc. music like you said, books out of print missing stuff in digital form, words removed, etc. my main concern was that if Nintendo can prove illegal activity with yuzu, how many others Nintendo can argue are putting out roms, emulators and possibly making profit? Surely if one than many. That's my concern. Can these big companies convince legalities that ALL things being done outside their supervision and billing is completely wrong and try to stop all of it? Games, movies, books.

 

Anybody who distributes or downloads ROMs in any circumstances is breaking copyright law. Simple. Not saying I agree, again, but is illegal. Even if it's a 1979 arcade ROM from a company that's dead and only 12 people in the whole world even remember it, it's illegal. It's just no one cares enough to sue you. If they make money off distributing ROMs through any means, even banner ads, that is even more illegal. It's always been this way, and always will be. The only reason there's been less legal action before now is the business case to do so doesn't make sense, as I have tried three times now to make you realise.

 

You are drawing far more inferences and connections from this one incident than makes sense. Things about other media are unrelated to this. Your concerns there are valid, digital media is risky, but that's not at all related to this action by Nintendo.

Edited March 13, 2024 by Murdoch

[Scottier681]

Thanks for response  crocmagnum, like i said nothing major PRESENT tense but I'm old enough to have loved the old arcade machines and appreciated MAME for bringing them home. I actually own the 1988 arcade ninja gaiden. But not really functioning well, mame saved me. Some older NES carts I had a hard time finding, and my old nes out of order so emulators saved me there as well. Movies no longer on DVD or Blu-ray either on streaming or cable stripped down, no extras, etc. music like you said, books out of print missing stuff in digital form, words removed, etc. my main concern was that if Nintendo can prove illegal activity with yuzu, how many others Nintendo can argue are putting out roms, emulators and possibly making profit? Surely if one than many. That's my concern. Can these big companies convince legalities that ALL things being done outside their supervision and billing is completely wrong and try to stop all of it? Games, movies, books.

[Gmg]

R.I.P Citra T_T

[Kinsie]

4 hours ago, Scottier681 said:

Thanks for response  crocmagnum, like i said nothing major PRESENT tense but I'm old enough to have loved the old arcade machines and appreciated MAME for bringing them home. I actually own the 1988 arcade ninja gaiden. But not really functioning well, mame saved me. Some older NES carts I had a hard time finding, and my old nes out of order so emulators saved me there as well. Movies no longer on DVD or Blu-ray either on streaming or cable stripped down, no extras, etc. music like you said, books out of print missing stuff in digital form, words removed, etc. my main concern was that if Nintendo can prove illegal activity with yuzu, how many others Nintendo can argue are putting out roms, emulators and possibly making profit? Surely if one than many. That's my concern. Can these big companies convince legalities that ALL things being done outside their supervision and billing is completely wrong and try to stop all of it? Games, movies, books.

 

4 hours ago, Murdoch said:

 

Anybody who distributes or downloads ROMs in any circumstances is breaking copyright law. Simple. Not saying I agree, again, but is illegal. Even if it's a 1979 arcade ROM from a company like dead and only 12 people in the whole world even remember it, it's illegal. It's just no one cares enough to sue you. If they make money of distributing ROMs through any means, even banner ads, that is even more illegal. It's always been this way, and always will be. The only reason there's been less legal action before now is the business case to do so doesn't make sense, as I have tried three times now to make you realise.

 

You are drawing far more inferences and connections from this one incident than makes sense. Things about other media are unrelated to this. Your concerns there are valid, digital media is risky, but that's not at all related to this action by Nintendo.

 

4 hours ago, Scottier681 said:

Thanks for response  crocmagnum, like i said nothing major PRESENT tense but I'm old enough to have loved the old arcade machines and appreciated MAME for bringing them home. I actually own the 1988 arcade ninja gaiden. But not really functioning well, mame saved me. Some older NES carts I had a hard time finding, and my old nes out of order so emulators saved me there as well. Movies no longer on DVD or Blu-ray either on streaming or cable stripped down, no extras, etc. music like you said, books out of print missing stuff in digital form, words removed, etc. my main concern was that if Nintendo can prove illegal activity with yuzu, how many others Nintendo can argue are putting out roms, emulators and possibly making profit? Surely if one than many. That's my concern. Can these big companies convince legalities that ALL things being done outside their supervision and billing is completely wrong and try to stop all of it? Games, movies, books.

Did you seriously just repost your post verbatim because you didn't like the reply you got?

[act]

There are literal officers outside my home so I will say THIS POST IS SATIRE

 

Fuck Nintendo. Capital F Fuck. I fully encourage piracy of Nintendo's games until they unfuck themselves as a company. Free market. If your platform is disfunctional, overpriced, etc. then you will simply be outclassed by alternatives. Welcome to Capitalism baybee.

[Doom64guy]

On 3/11/2024 at 7:50 PM, Scottier681 said:

With the recent Nintendo lawsuit against yuzu the switch/3DS emulator, what other mega companies will jump on board and attack all emulators, source ports or anyway to play games in the future without being under these mega companies thumbs? Are there going to be save havens to preserve and save games like doom/quake or any game for future use? Any ideas/thoughts about this issue?

Is Quake Modding still that active, compared to Doomworld?

[Kinsie]

37 minutes ago, Doom64guy said:

Is Quake Modding still that active, compared to Doomworld?

Extensively.

[MeriMemesX]

8 hours ago, Kinsie said:

Extensively.

Is there a page with more maps besides this one? :D

 

i love this Pages

RTSL for Half-Life

Doomworld for Doom (duh)

Moddb for anything else

Edited March 13, 2024 by MeriMemesX

[D4NUK1]

3 minutes ago, MeriMemesX said:

Is there a page with more maps besides this one? :D

 

i love this Pages

RTSL for Half-Life

Doomworld for Doom (duh)

Moddb for anything else

Moddb for quake also have their fair share of maps and mods that serves as total convertions.
https://www.quaddicted.com 


 

[MeriMemesX]

25 minutes ago, D4NUK1 said:

Moddb for quake also have their fair share of maps and mods that serves as total convertions.
https://www.quaddicted.com 


 

thanks!

[mrthejoshmon]

Another case where someone openly and loudly fucked around with Nintendo properties and immediately found out why they have a reputation.

 

This is more applicable to fan projects and software in general but:

Spoiler

 

I believe there should be an unspoken rule where if you are messing with Nintendo properties or platforms, you should be quiet about it until it is done and out there rather than opening your mouth (and especially asking for funding).

 

Nintendo are literally the best at shutting your shit down, every time someone's Metroid fan project eats shit at the hands of Nintendo lawyers I can help but think as to why the hell you would tell the world what you were making and then question why there is now a target painted on you, that's literally on you.

 

If they're going to poke the bear, do it when you are out of the cage already, so to say.

 

 

[Doom64guy]

14 hours ago, Kinsie said:

Extensively.

Ah, that one.

Saw it before, but I think it's less polished than Doomworld.

[Kinsie]

1 hour ago, Doom64guy said:

Saw it before, but I think it's less polished than Doomworld.

I mean, their search works...

[Murdoch]

43 minutes ago, Kinsie said:

I mean, their search works...

 

Ooo, shots fired! Heh.

[Doomgoonie]

it is and will always be incredibly easy to get any emulator or game running and we all know why

[TheMagicMushroomMan]

6 hours ago, Doomgoonie said:

it is and will always be incredibly easy to get any emulator or game running and we all know why

Anyone who has messed with emulation for an extended period of time has had at least one nightmare experience regarding compatibility with certain games. What exactly are you implying?

[taufan99]

17 minutes ago, TheMagicMushroomMan said:

Anyone who has messed with emulation for an extended period of time has had at least one nightmare experience regarding compatibility with certain games. What exactly are you implying?

Especially Sega Saturn and N64 emulator devs.

[mrthejoshmon]

20 minutes ago, TheMagicMushroomMan said:

Anyone who has messed with emulation for an extended period of time has had at least one nightmare experience regarding compatibility with certain games. What exactly are you implying?

Crusaders of Might and Magic for the PSX

 

Not sure why, but the PAL version I own eats turbo dick with unplayable lag spikes.

 

Armored Core 3 was damn near unplayable until recently where PCSX2 literally made a patch focused exclusively on Armored Core.

 

Then there was MediEvil 1, copy protection on that was a bastard to the point where a physical copy wouldn't even work on a physical PS2, I thought I just bought a shagged disc but apparently it works just fine.

[Scottier681]

https://www.xda-developers.com/yuzu-shutdown-emulation/

 

I'm not the only one with concerns about future issues.

[Scottier681]

https://www.theverge.com/24098640/nintendo-emulator-yuzu-lawsuit-switch-aftermath

 

All the greedy game companies will wake from their slumbers and take heed a little more closely to this issue. 

[Murdoch]

8 minutes ago, Scottier681 said:

https://www.xda-developers.com/yuzu-shutdown-emulation/

 

I'm not the only one with concerns about future issues.

 

... and? People can make exactly the same mistakes you can.

 

9 minutes ago, Scottier681 said:

https://www.theverge.com/24098640/nintendo-emulator-yuzu-lawsuit-switch-aftermath

 

All the greedy game companies will wake from their slumbers and take heed a little more closely to this issue. 

 

I give up. You're not listening to anything anyone has said here, you just want to cry and not listen to any form of logical reasoning. I am not going to bore others by repeating myself.

[Kinsie]

2 hours ago, Murdoch said:

I give up. You're not listening to anything anyone has said here, you just want to cry and not listen to any form of logical reasoning. I am not going to bore others by repeating myself.

My favorite genre of poster is the one who refuses to listen to anyone who disagrees with them and instead just keeps restating their opinion increasingly loudly. It always makes for great discussion when you realize it's not actually a discussion and the OP just wants people to reinforce their opinion and pat them on the head.

Edited March 15, 2024 by Kinsie

[Murdoch]

34 minutes ago, Kinsie said:

My favorite genre of poster is the one who refuses to listen to anyone who disagrees with them and instead just keeps restating their opinion increasingly loudly. It always makes for great discussion when you realize it's not actually a discussion and the OP just wants people to reinforce their opinion and pat them on the head.

 

Yeah, it's a delight.

[Scottier681]

Well, think what you may, I just stated feelings and opinions about these issues but never have attitude and negativity towards any. Maybe you lack consideration, understanding, empathy and probably many other skills when reading what people have to say. Especially when nothing negative was said towards anyone. But that's fine. I don't hide in caves or keep my head in the sand. I do talk with many people about these issues I've posted and they too see these issues as possible future problems. And, if you don't like my supposed "crying" and need of "patting on the back", stop reading this post and move on. 

[PsychEyeball]

27 minutes ago, Scottier681 said:

Well, think what you may, I just stated feelings and opinions about these issues but never have attitude and negativity towards any. Maybe you lack consideration, understanding, empathy and probably many other skills when reading what people have to say. Especially when nothing negative was said towards anyone. But that's fine. I don't hide in caves or keep my head in the sand. I do talk with many people about these issues I've posted and they too see these issues as possible future problems. And, if you don't like my supposed "crying" and need of "patting on the back", stop reading this post and move on. 

 

If we are to disregard what you've written and vice versa, why even start this thread? You're looking for validation of your insecurities and fears, not a discussion.

 

Also that's a nice start for a copypasta if I've seen one.

[mrthejoshmon]

1 hour ago, Scottier681 said:

Well, think what you may, I just stated feelings and opinions about these issues but never have attitude and negativity towards any. Maybe you lack consideration, understanding, empathy and probably many other skills when reading what people have to say. Especially when nothing negative was said towards anyone. But that's fine. I don't hide in caves or keep my head in the sand. I do talk with many people about these issues I've posted and they too see these issues as possible future problems. And, if you don't like my supposed "crying" and need of "patting on the back", stop reading this post and move on. 

You have literally failed to demonstrate a single thing you have listed and instead have achieved superhuman irony levels by doing the exact opposite.

 

Well done, I salute you.