who here is excited for the next doom or quake game?

[Metal_Slayer]

Honestly I wouldn't have a problem with never getting a new official Doom game if it meant that NuDoom fans would live in agony until they decide to leave the fanbase for lack of content.

["JL" was too short]

It's hard to be excited after Eternal, but I'm interested.  I'm keeping an open mind and if Bethesda show us something that's unambiguously going to be a good Doom game, I could become excited.

[Helton342]

Not exactly interested in any New Doom content to come really. Last thing i saw as a good thing from eternal was the 1rst DLC, before it sadly got changed due to the convoluted last DLC...

 

Though i cannot wait for Hellion, hope Romero does good.

[nathanB404]

3 hours ago, DiavoJinx said:

I'm genuinely pleased... to see so many comments not liking the NuDoom games. =)  (Should be expected, we're all here for the classics, after all!)

 

I feel like the hate here from the Nudoom games here is eerily similar to the way the Star Wars boomers reacted to the prequel trilogy back then.

 

Us zoomers loved (and still love) the prequels. While the older generation of users online HATED the prequels with a burning passion. They HATED what George Lucas was doing to the franchise. But they were blinded by how much creative vision he had when setting up the lore and world building of the prequel franchise. As such, the prequels still to this day continue to age like fine wine more and more (especially after the soulless, corporate, bland and uninspired the Disney Sequel trilogy). 

 

And now, we see HUGE influx of Star Wars prequel love like never before. We now see that the Star Wars boomers were WRONG about the prequel trilogy. We now see that George Lucas was just ahead of his time. He brought new life into the Star Wars universe that neither the Disney sequels or even the original trilogy could ever accomplish. 

I see this very much similar to the way the Doom Boomers here are reacting towards the Nudoom games. Hugo Martin is like George Lucas in a sense. A creative genius who has the talent to create such strong lore and world building that brings the Doom franchise to life like never before seen. But the doom boomers don’t see that. They aren’t used to change. Just as the Star Wars boomers weren’t used to change either. 
 

 

Edited May 13 by nathanB404
Grammatical errors

[june gloom]

3 hours ago, DiavoJinx said:

I'm genuinely pleased... to see so many comments not liking the NuDoom games. =)

 

Why?

[dasho]

21 minutes ago, nathanB404 said:

Us zoomers loved (and still love) the prequels. While the older generation of users online HATED the prequels with a burning passion. They HATED what George Lucas was doing to the franchise. But they were blinded by how much creative vision he had when setting up the lore and world building of the prequel franchise. As such, the prequels still to this day continue to age like fine wine more and more (especially after the soulless, corporate, bland and uninspired the Disney Sequel trilogy). 

 

Isn't this just you doing the same thing you're complaining about, but regarding the prequels versus sequels?

Edited May 13 by dasho

[Trigsy]

6 minutes ago, nathanB404 said:

Spoiler

 

I feel like the hate here from the Nudoom games here is eerily similar to the way the Star Wars boomers reacted to the prequel trilogy back then.

 

Us zoomers loved (and still love) the prequels. While the older generation of users online HATED the prequels with a burning passion. They HATED what George Lucas was doing to the franchise. But they were blinded by how much creative vision he had when setting up the lore and world building of the prequel franchise. As such, the prequels still to this day continue to age like fine wine more and more (especially after the soulless, corporate, bland and uninspired the Disney Sequel trilogy). 

 

And now, we see HUGE influx of Star Wars prequel love like never before. We now see that the Star Wars boomers were WRONG about the prequel trilogy. We now see that George Lucas was just ahead of his time. He brought new life into the Star Wars universe that neither the Disney sequels or even the original trilogy could ever accomplish. 

I see this very much similar to the way the Doom Boomers here are reacting towards the Nudoom games. Hugo Martin is like George Lucas in a sense. A creative genius who has the talent to create such strong lore and world building that brings the Doom franchise to life like never before seen. But the doom boomers don’t see that. They aren’t used to change. Just as the Star Wars boomers weren’t used to change either.

 

 

There are a couple of key things that I think you're overlooking. For one thing, modern Star Wars was built out of the wreckage of the prequels. They flopped so hard that the entire intellectual property reorganized itself around enriching them and making them seem better in hindsight. Nowadays, there's so much connective tissue between the original trilogy and the prequel trilogy, that it's no longer clear to everyone that they were, overwhelmingly, a downgrade. Disney is currently doing exactly the same thing with the sequel trilogy.

 

Aside from that, if we're equating Doom Eternal to the prequel trilogy, that means that whatever comes next is the sequels. Do you want people to come around to Eternal because Doom 6 is going to be garbage?

[nathanB404]

1 minute ago, dasho said:

 

Isn't this just you doing the same thing you're complaining about, but regarding the prequels versus sequels?

no the sequels are objectively bad. the prequels were always good

[dasho]

Just now, nathanB404 said:

no the sequels are objectively bad. the prequels were always good

 

"It's wrong unless I do it"

[june gloom]

1 minute ago, nathanB404 said:

no the sequels are objectively bad. the prequels were always good

 

No they are not and no they were not. Are you 12? Stop posting before you dig yourself deeper.

[DiavoJinx]

26 minutes ago, nathanB404 said:

I feel like the hate here from the Nudoom games here is eerily similar to the way the Star Wars boomers reacted to the prequel trilogy back then.

 

Us zoomers loved (and still love) the prequels. While the older generation of users online HATED the prequels with a burning passion. They HATED what George Lucas was doing to the franchise. But they were blinded by how much creative vision he had when setting up the lore and world building of the prequel franchise. As such, the prequels still to this day continue to age like fine wine more and more (especially after the soulless, corporate, bland and uninspired the Disney Sequel trilogy). 

 

And now, we see HUGE influx of Star Wars prequel love like never before. We now see that the Star Wars boomers were WRONG about the prequel trilogy. We now see that George Lucas was just ahead of his time. He brought new life into the Star Wars universe that neither the Disney sequels or even the original trilogy could ever accomplish. 

I see this very much similar to the way the Doom Boomers here are reacting towards the Nudoom games. Hugo Martin is like George Lucas in a sense. A creative genius who has the talent to create such strong lore and world building that brings the Doom franchise to life like never before seen. But the doom boomers don’t see that. They aren’t used to change. Just as the Star Wars boomers weren’t used to change either. 
 

 

Ooh yeah, Star Wars fans online HATE any and all Star Wars media except the original 3 movies... in their theatrical form.

I saw all 3 prequel movies on release nights in the theaters and loved them (despite some cringe dialog in episode I and II in particular). Episode III is by far my favorite Star Wars movie -- so much happens in that movie.

 

I have a couple of younger friends (Zoomers, yes) who like the NuDoom games for their action, and haven't played the originals. To them, they are fun modern games.

 

I explained clearly why the NuDoom games are not for me.

Edited May 13 by DiavoJinx

[june gloom]

24 minutes ago, nathanB404 said:

I feel like the hate here from the Nudoom games here is eerily similar to the way the Star Wars boomers reacted to the prequel trilogy back then.

 

Us zoomers loved (and still love) the prequels. While the older generation of users online HATED the prequels with a burning passion. They HATED what George Lucas was doing to the franchise. But they were blinded by how much creative vision he had when setting up the lore and world building of the prequel franchise. As such, the prequels still to this day continue to age like fine wine more and more (especially after the soulless, corporate, bland and uninspired the Disney Sequel trilogy). 

 

And now, we see HUGE influx of Star Wars prequel love like never before. We now see that the Star Wars boomers were WRONG about the prequel trilogy. We now see that George Lucas was just ahead of his time. He brought new life into the Star Wars universe that neither the Disney sequels or even the original trilogy could ever accomplish. 

I see this very much similar to the way the Doom Boomers here are reacting towards the Nudoom games. Hugo Martin is like George Lucas in a sense. A creative genius who has the talent to create such strong lore and world building that brings the Doom franchise to life like never before seen. But the doom boomers don’t see that. They aren’t used to change. Just as the Star Wars boomers weren’t used to change either. 
 

 

I keep trying to reply to this and the thread keeps updating because the fury of your bullshit has attracted a lot of attention, but this really needs to be addressed: this is an extremely insulting post. For starters, anyone who calls me a "boomer" will get a sharp swift punch in the tit. I'm 41, firmly millennial. Boomers are the people who ruined any chance for my generation to get ahead in life. Second, your history of the Star Wars movies and fan reaction to them is laughably wrong and completely misunderstands why anyone liked or disliked those films. (I'm an outsider to Star Wars in that I dislike the entire franchise, so I see things fans often don't.) And of course you're kidding yourself if you think there's any sort of generational connection to who likes what -- there are plenty of older fans who love the prequels. And quite frankly, at 41 I love Doom 2016/Eternal for what they are (even if I think lorewise they kind of wrote themselves into a corner.) This whole post reeks of a teenager trying to tell himself that he's smarter and hipper than us crusty old "boomers" (again: don't call me that.)

 

Grow up.

[Wo0p]

I'm more excited for Marathon, Marathon 2 and Marathon Infinity being released to Steam (soontm) tbh. Courtesy of the crafty fellows in Aleph One :)

 

Also, they're free.

Edited May 13 by Wo0p

[roadworx]

59 minutes ago, nathanB404 said:

Us zoomers loved (and still love) the prequels.

no we don't

[Mr. Freeze]

mfw they're trying to gaslight me into thinking the prequels are good again

[oneselfSelf]

1 hour ago, nathanB404 said:

I feel like the hate here from the Nudoom games here is eerily similar to the way the Star Wars boomers reacted to the prequel trilogy back then.

 

Us zoomers loved (and still love) the prequels. While the older generation of users online HATED the prequels with a burning passion. They HATED what George Lucas was doing to the franchise. But they were blinded by how much creative vision he had when setting up the lore and world building of the prequel franchise. As such, the prequels still to this day continue to age like fine wine more and more (especially after the soulless, corporate, bland and uninspired the Disney Sequel trilogy). 

 

And now, we see HUGE influx of Star Wars prequel love like never before. We now see that the Star Wars boomers were WRONG about the prequel trilogy. We now see that George Lucas was just ahead of his time. He brought new life into the Star Wars universe that neither the Disney sequels or even the original trilogy could ever accomplish. 

I see this very much similar to the way the Doom Boomers here are reacting towards the Nudoom games. Hugo Martin is like George Lucas in a sense. A creative genius who has the talent to create such strong lore and world building that brings the Doom franchise to life like never before seen. But the doom boomers don’t see that. They aren’t used to change. Just as the Star Wars boomers weren’t used to change either. 
 

 

 

"Us zoomers"

 

 

[DoomPlayer00]

Love how any mention of Star Wars is enough to totally derail a thread on Doomworld

[Trigsy]

17 minutes ago, DoomPlayer00 said:

Love how any mention of Star Wars is enough to totally derail a thread on Doomworld

nah, "derail" implies clear direction, of which there was none

[mrthejoshmon]

Nah, I ain't too excited for any new Doom games but I will play them, absolutely.

They just kinda went a way I ain't interested in, they still good games but I can't get along with it as much.

 

I'd be worried about a new Quake, I feel like they might take the wrong lessons from Doom's later entries and be in your face and corny over dark and brooding.

 

-

 

As for Star Wars, nah G, I gaslit myself thinking the prequels were my favourite and upon watching again they are most certainly not that.

 

Only good thing out of those trash fires are that the clones are pretty cool (and not much else).

[8088mph]

1 hour ago, nathanB404 said:

 zoomers loved (and still love) the prequels.  

Yeah, no, I'm a zoomer, both in the doom community and generation-wise, the prequels are awful, and while nu-doom isn't bad, it's overrated and it's community is toxic.

[JackDBS]

1 hour ago, nathanB404 said:

I feel like the hate here from the Nudoom games here is eerily similar to the way the Star Wars boomers reacted to the prequel trilogy back then.

 

Us zoomers loved (and still love) the prequels. While the older generation of users online HATED the prequels with a burning passion. They HATED what George Lucas was doing to the franchise. But they were blinded by how much creative vision he had when setting up the lore and world building of the prequel franchise. As such, the prequels still to this day continue to age like fine wine more and more (especially after the soulless, corporate, bland and uninspired the Disney Sequel trilogy). 

 

And now, we see HUGE influx of Star Wars prequel love like never before. We now see that the Star Wars boomers were WRONG about the prequel trilogy. We now see that George Lucas was just ahead of his time. He brought new life into the Star Wars universe that neither the Disney sequels or even the original trilogy could ever accomplish. 

I see this very much similar to the way the Doom Boomers here are reacting towards the Nudoom games. Hugo Martin is like George Lucas in a sense. A creative genius who has the talent to create such strong lore and world building that brings the Doom franchise to life like never before seen. But the doom boomers don’t see that. They aren’t used to change. Just as the Star Wars boomers weren’t used to change either. 
 

 

Hello fellow zoomer here. The prequels suck as much dick as I do with a hot man, as in a lot. Nostalgia just got you good. End of story.

[nathanB404]

11 minutes ago, JackDBS said:

Hello fellow zoomer here. The prequels suck as much dick as I do with a hot man, as in a lot. 

Erm, what the sigma?

[EraserheadBaby]

most of star wars is bad (not including the EU books).  New Hope, Empire, and Clone Wars (CGI and Tartakovsky).  That's it for me.  It's like an SO who started out wonderful, but went sour a long time ago...

 

 

 

 

in a galaxy far far away. 

 

Reason for edit: Forgot this thread was about DOOM and Quake games.  what is wrong with me?  Is this what forums do to people? I need to touch grass.

Edited May 13 by EraserheadBaby

[Helton342]

How tf did this turn into (r/GenZ, r/MiddleGenZ, r/OlderGenZ) conversation lmfao

[EraserheadBaby]

On point, I would love a return to form for Quake. Dark, creepy, Lovecraftian atmosphere with the added body horror from Quake 2 and 4.  Ditch the strogg and go back to the weird dimensional stuff, ancient structures, and Lovecraft/folklore creatures.  Maybe make it a bit survival horror.  Or full survival horror.  DOOM 3 wasn't bad, imo.  The new ID is solid and I bet after seeing how visceral the violence in the new DOOM is, I bet they could make an amazing horror game if they committed to it. 

 

But yeah, dark, scary, single player Quake would be nice. 

[june gloom]

1 minute ago, nathanB404 said:

Erm, what the sigma?

What are you confused by, here, exactly?

 

Anyway as long as we're talking shit about Star Wars movies I really do think the entire franchise is mediocre at best. It's eleven middling-to-terrible movies with a bunch of spinoffs, TV shows, video games, comic book lines, et cetera that all spun out of George Lucas making an extended toy commercial out of a bunch of stuff he was really into in the 1950s and 60s. The only reason the first movie is even watchable is because his wife edited it into something coherent. I just don't find the setting compelling because it's a weird mishmash of ideas that don't really gel together. It has no cohesive vision so it just comes off as schizophrenic. It couldn't be more generic if it tried, and in so doing it's become the generic sci-fi thing that stereotypical nerds are supposed to be into. If you're at all into nerdy things, or "fannish" things (fandom culture is something all its own -- think the kind of people who like Supernatural, Doctor Who, BBC Sherlock, etc. and posted on tumblr about 10-15 years ago) you're expected to like Star Wars, and I just don't fit into any of that. And it's everywhere; it's embedded itself into the cultural fabric in a way no other IP has. If you like Star Wars, seeing Star Wars everywhere is cool. If you hate Star Wars, it's basically living in a nightmare. Everywhere I turn, here's Darth Vader graffiti, someone makes an "it's a trap!" joke (often in reference to trans women,) oh it's an election? here comes the GOP=Empire memes! For the love of Palutena watch something else.

 

I really only like Empire and The Last Jedi. Empire would be good if it got rid of the puppet and Force nonsense and basically just was a completely different IP, it deserves to stand on its own. The Last Jedi did two things: one, it upended a lot of the series' favorite tropes, such as the one where the hotshot does something crazy and is actually successful and rewarded for it, in this movie reality ensues, though it could ensue a little harder on Poe for how badly he fucked up; or the way it sort of pokes at the franchise's weird relationship with violence by using subtle color cues in place of the blood that any other franchise would be more realistic about, such as the red-robed guys getting their robes torn to shreds when they fall into the big fan. From a pure filmmaking perspective, TLJ is an excellent subversion of a series that's deeply up its own ass. Two: it pisses off all the right people. Yes, there are folks with legitimate grievances about how TLJ ignores a lot of the technical "rules" of the setting -- my partner is one -- but I'm going to be honest, it's Star Wars, the whole thing has coasted on vibes since 1977. Asking Star Wars to make sense is a losing game. Every argument about the writing feels hollow when all the movies have bad dialogue, plot holes you could walk an AT-AT through and thin characterization. But that's not what chuds are really mad about, is it? You know, I know it.

 

I don't know where I was going with this. Clearly this thread has no direction anymore anyway. I guess I'm just mad that nothing I like is popular like Star Wars is popular while its fans act like they're this poor abused minority and anyone saying they don't like Star Wars is committing a hate crime. It must be nice to have a hundred god damn books with your favorite movie franchise's logo on them. Why can't shit I like get a hundred books?

[EraserheadBaby]

58 minutes ago, mrthejoshmon said:

I'd be worried about a new Quake, I feel like they might take the wrong lessons from Doom's later entries and be in your face and corny over dark and brooding.

Oooooooo, that's a good point.  I love new DOOM (not as much as old DOOM), but the lore was cringe. Did they get a professional to write that, or did an intern just knock it out over the weekend with a bottle of bourbon and a Slayer album? Yeah, they could definitely FUBAR a Quake game.  But I'd still like to see them try.  I ignored the story in Eternal, I can do it again. 

[Chezza]

Hey!

2016 and Eternal are great games. Caters more niche play styles I get it. But good. To want to see people hate on it is just... immature.

So many FPS games, particularly indie are inspired by the latest Doom mechanics and I see that as an indicator that even the latest Dooms has still managed to innovate the genre which is a bigger achievement these days.

[JackDBS]

41 minutes ago, Chezza said:

Hey!

2016 and Eternal are great games. Caters more niche play styles I get it. But good. To want to see people hate on it is just... immature.

So many FPS games, particularly indie are inspired by the latest Doom mechanics and I see that as an indicator that even the latest Dooms has still managed to innovate the genre which is a bigger achievement these days.

"more niche play styles"
Its style has been copied dozens of times at this point it's not niche.

[DankMetal]

This is definitely a thread.