Quake or Doom: Which was better and why

[Tritnew]

DMGUYDZ64 said:

Anyhow , the real reason of DOOM 3 fail was because it didn't offer something "New" , The gameplay and environments felt so repeatitive, And worst part of it is being Futuristic Marine and still having to hold your "Flashlight" instead of it being attatched on your armor or weapon .

I think BFG Edition Improved what you last mentioned, but when people see BFG Edition they say "DURR, IT RUINS DOOUM 3, HURR DUUR", when It Infact Improves It, they really wanted It to go action based but I guess It failed for some fans.

[Da Werecat]

DURR DEE DURR, I LIKE PRESENTING MAH OPINIONS AS SCIENTIFIC FACTS.

[snapshot]

Da Werecat said:

DURR DEE DURR, I LIKE PRESENTING MAH OPINIONS AS SCIENTIFIC FACTS.

You obviously do .

[VGamingJunkie]

Tritnew said:

I think BFG Edition Improved what you last mentioned, but when people see BFG Edition they say "DURR, IT RUINS DOOUM 3, HURR DUUR", when It Infact Improves It, they really wanted It to go action based but I guess It failed for some fans.

Doom 3 was improved, it was the Classic Doom that got butchered in that and in the laziest way possible.

[Da Werecat]

DMGUYDZ64 said:

You obviously do .

Sure .

For example , it is a fact that Half-Life flashlight sucks and always sucked . The way its battery works makes exactly zero sense , and it forces you to stand in the dark like an idiot and wait until it recharges before proceeding . Worse yet , this horrible gimmick leaked into other games and totally ruined them , including Doom 3 .

[The Doommer]

DMGUYDZ64 said:

None of these are correct except the 1st one .

Not agree with you...

2. I saw the unfinished sprites in doom.wikia i think. then the game would be more fun via the Mastermind and Archnorton
3. Grenade is a weapon existed in doom RPG
D.r Guerard is similar to Malcolm Betruger and Kronos is similar to Maledict ...

[Avoozl]

Tritnew said:

I think BFG Edition Improved what you last mentioned, but when people see BFG Edition they say "DURR, IT RUINS DOOUM 3, HURR DUUR", when It Infact Improves It, they really wanted It to go action based but I guess It failed for some fans.

They brightened the levels killing the point in even needing the shoulder mounted flashlight in the first place.

[Flesh420]

I don't think either are better as they're two different generations of FPS. Enemies patrolling intensely scary, and the first Shambler/Fiend encounter piss inducing.

I remember mostly from those days that "enemies hunting you down" was The Talk of the streets. The world you entered so bizarre and shit actually moved. And back then there was something very satisfying about Weapon Progression, something I still try to capture in my Doom Mapping, for some reason. Something about finding the SS on the second level of first boot was fucking fantastically awesome. Just floating awaiting warm hands and continuous trigger pulls.

But nowadays I can hardly play Quake 1. I don't know why ...

[DoomGater]

For me, Quake was only a nice tech demo, but no game. I missed a story and found the leveldesign boring. Of couse I bought quake when it was released, but I never played more then one or two levels. I actually completed it _after_ playing Quake 2 and Quake 3. Today, I like it as a DM game, but it really can not be compared to the uncomparable DOOM.

[rampancy]

they are both awesome.

people seem to be divided into two camps, those who think id makes the same game every time, and those who dont think they are similar enough.

it kinda reminds me of nintendo and zelda.

[The Doommer]

Tritnew said:

Yeah, the guy seems like a total noob.

Wrong
I said all 1 , 2 ,3 because of visiting doom.wikia for Doom 3 , Doom RPG , ...

[Xaser]

The Doommer said:

doom.wikia

Noooooooo

http://doomwiki.org/

[The Doommer]

Xaser said:

Noooooooo

http://doomwiki.org/

What do you mean ???

DoomGater said:

but it really can not be compared to the uncomparable DOOM.

Like
Doom is uncomparable (the truth is the word 'incomparable' is true...).
No old game can be compared with it. even Quake
Doom was the second FPS (after wolfenstein. I read this in many websites) game
But it's gameplay , weapons & enemies were more wider than wolfenstein...

[Cacowad]

We shall not speak about wikia, for wikia is evil and outdated.

to remain on topic, i tried quake some years ago after having a blast with doom2, and i was really disappointed, all levels looked the same, the character felt so SLOW it was embarassing. TLDR i got bored really fast. Still love Q3 DM toh, at least the starting weapon is not nearly as bad as the pistol.

[Jon]

There are some absolutely incredible quake maps out there. Check quaddicted. Honey is a favourite.

[VGamingJunkie]

Are there any good Quake tools, though? I can't imagine there are any DoomBuilder equivalents.

[TwinBeast]

Radiant is pretty fast for laying out blocks, kinda like drawing the sectors. Worldcraft/Jackhammer are nicer for selecting stuff, but aren't so fast in the block drawing. Of course the map formats aren't exactly compatible with the different editors. Like Jackhammer can import .MAP made with Radiant, but Radiant doesn't understand .MAP files exported from Jackhammer.

All the graphics editors are horribly outdated/discontinued. Wally is ok for adding textures for level editor use, but can't do anything about changing the GFX. And is missing some stuff that are basically standard features of any program.

[rampancy]

http://kristianduske.com/trenchbroom/

this is a relatively new and cool looking level editor for quake.

[Tritnew]

Avoozl said:

They brightened the levels killing the point in even needing the shoulder mounted flashlight in the first place.

Yeah, but with the simple editing of the config file by setting the lighting to Vanilla, It's perfect.

Da Werecat said:

DURR DEE DURR, I LIKE PRESENTING MAH OPINIONS AS SCIENTIFIC FACTS.

What? I wasn't trying to point out "scientific facts" or trying to be smart, I was being truthful. No need to be a smartass, man.

[CyberDemonEmpress]

I kinda lean towards Quake, simply for it's atmosphere and level design. But atmosphere sometimes outweighs gameplay for me. I do think Doom overall has the better gameplay though.

[SYS]

I hold Doom and Quake in very high regard. They're equally mind blowing and innovative. It's hard for me to pick a favorite. I guess being eight years old in '93 and your friend fires up his dad's copy Doom. It was incredible. I never seen anything like it in my life. I could almost say seeing Doom for the first time was a religious experience without sounding too hyperbolic.

[Da Werecat]

Tritnew said:

I wasn't trying to point out "scientific facts" or trying to be smart, I was being truthful.

That changes everything.

[rampancy]

Voltcom9 said:

Completely agree.

yeah me too.

except for multiplayer, i think quake multiplayer is superior gameplay wise, because of the verticality and mlook. i dont think it was intended to devolve into a bunny hopping simulator...

SYS said:

I hold Doom and Quake in very high regard. They're equally mind blowing and innovative. It's hard for me to pick a favorite. I guess being eight years old in '93 and your friend fires up his dad's copy Doom. It was incredible. I never seen anything like it in my life. I could almost say seeing Doom for the first time was a religious experience without sounding too hyperbolic.

nah i get it. i was 11. doom and super nintendo made me the gamer i am today.

[Tritnew]

rampancy said:

nah i get it. i was 11. doom and super nintendo made me the gamer i am today.

DOOM on PSX and PC made me the gamer I am today, but I'll have to give Nintendo, Mario and Sonic credit for Introducing me to gaming at least.

[rampancy]

Tritnew said:

DOOM on PSX and PC made me the gamer I am today, but I'll have to give Nintendo, Mario and Sonic credit for Introducing me to gaming at least.

ahh the good old days... i try to help my nephews get that sense of amazement, but i dont know if ive done it yet. minecraft is probably the thing they made the biggest deal about. half the time they are playing what i consider to be crappy games on kizi or whatever it is and i feel like the old man who just doesnt get it lol.

[Tritnew]

rampancy said:

ahh the good old days... i try to help my nephews get that sense of amazement, but i dont know if ive done it yet. minecraft is probably the thing they made the biggest deal about. half the time they are playing what i consider to be crappy games on kizi or whatever it is and i feel like the old man who just doesnt get it lol.

I did get my adopted brother Into DOOM, though he really can't get Into the modern FPS controls I configured for DOOM since he's usually used to the PS3 and Xbox controls. But oh, I love PSX DOOM, I think It literally scared me to death because I heard the track In the "Lunar" map In PSX Final DOOM's TNT episode, I heard those demonic voices and I kept running around the map not knowing what I had to do due to being frozen In fear. THAT's how the game got to me emotionally the first time.

[SavageCorona]

Tritnew said:

I think BFG Edition Improved what you last mentioned, but when people see BFG Edition they say "DURR, IT RUINS DOOUM 3, HURR DUUR", when It Infact Improves It, they really wanted It to go action based but I guess It failed for some fans.

If you call removing all creative incentive for modding, using a shittier engine, turning up the lights which gets rid of the whole atmosphere part of the game and generally being more for consoles with barebones graphics options and motion-sickness inducing FOV an improvement then sure

[Da Werecat]

SavageCorona said:

shittier engine

What?

SavageCorona said:

motion-sickness inducing FOV

Can be tweaked after applying the official patch.

[SavageCorona]

id Tech 5 is worse than id Tech 4

[Da Werecat]

SavageCorona said:

id Tech 5 is worse than id Tech 4

And uhhhhhh where exactly did you see the traces of id Tech 5's alleged shittines in Doom 3 BFG Edition?