Raymoohawk's sprite edits

[raymoohawk]

hey guys are we going to replace the lost soul and pain elemental? i really like teh current ones, but it just doesnt make sense with the new sci fi approach

[Blastfrog]

I think we should keep those sprites. Maybe touch up the lost soul if you feel like it, but I see no reason to toss them as a whole. I don't see why it doesn't work thematically, I still don't think Freedoom has a coherent theme, nor does it really need to conform to just one. Doom was a deliberate mixture of sci-fi and the occult, why can't we mix multiple themes especially if it means keeping perfectly fine quality assets?

[Gez]

raymoohawk said:

well you guys decide wich monster you want it to be :-) (i dont really fancy the thought of super shrinking it down to fit the revenant actor thoug)

Wasn't it meant to be the baron? You said you wanted to make a baron different from the knight.

[raymoohawk]

i did this yesterday



i also think the lost soul is very well done, but maybe ill try my own version later and if it doesnt turn out as good as the current one, than we dont add it. the idea i had for the pain elemental was that it could be a human or another type of helpless victim that is being carried by i bunch of lost souls who are feeding on it, imagine an airborne version of when grous of crocodiles feed

[raymoohawk]

woah, no way have you seen the combats slug animation?, whoever did it (siantofkillers?) was an excellent animator, it would be a complete waste

[raymoohawk]

i hope i didnt come across as rude, if so sorry ;)

[wesleyjohnson]

The current revenant is the one I made for FreeDoom. It was made to be a revenant, and to match all revenant characteristics, and to match the style of FreeDoom monsters.
Now, someone wants to replace it because they are wowed by some prelim drawing and are flailing around for somewhere to put it.
Just because, today, some members feel like being wild and messy is not a great reason to run rampant over the efforts of others to make some semi-sense of all this. I do not agree with just throwing stuff together.

There are plenty of unfinished sprites. But my idea of how to make a sprite starts with knowing which sprite you are making, and matching it to the engine characteristics that it must work with. Also, I would like to see it matched to the style of current crop of monsters.

I think you should stay with making that last one a baron, as that is the monster it most resembles. Then there should be a Knight of the same design but smaller and less decorated, (Keeping a Baron as a powerful decorated high-level knight, like a Arachnotron is a baby-spiderdemon).

These are of a new style, again not very agreeable with the current style. The cyberdemon last added is more pastel, floating, and pointy footed than the FreeDoom monsters. These are more contrasty and wild with color.

The extreme contrast color patches reminds me of a sewn power rangers doll, or one of these weird running shoes. It would look more like a member of the current FreeDoom monsters if it had more subtle shading and blending of those color panels (those on the leg). Right now, it looks like the monster is wearing ski clothes.

[Gez]

The knight will be the lizard monster; the baron will not look like the knight.

[raymoohawk]

wesley im going to make the sprites i want to make, if you guys dont like them dont put them in the game :-) i continue posting them in here in case you guys want to pick them up. i know those monsters are just single images, but i think ive shown that i can finish a complete sprite set at a resonable rate. also im not trying to undermine the work that has already been done for freedoom, but that attitude of lets not improve anything because then we would have to modify everything else has hurt the project. as for the contrast, your right that it is too high, ill look into correcting it, but i wont reduce it that much

EDIT

i sound ranty, sorry for that :-) (my posts today are coming out like that for some unintentional reason)

[raymoohawk]

here are more options for this guy

[raymoohawk]

more progress on this guy

[raymoohawk]

i put this thing together just as a possible idea of how to solve the problem of the knight and baron being different, but sharing a projectile, if i do go with this option i will make sure to make it look better integrated and not like a sock puppet like it does now



the idea is that the baron would be a sort of galactic hunter, like the predator. he is decorated with parts of his victims, such as the mask. his arm cannon would be powered by the still living head of the knight. i could include parts from the other monsters to keep with the theme, maybe he could wear the shell of the caco on the back, or have the imp head as a shoulder plate

[Blastfrog]

Looks too clown-like. Try to keep color selection limited to two or so major colors.

[raymoohawk]

yeah :-) the guys at the spriting carnival also pinted it out, ill probably give it a red and grey as the color scheme (except for the cannon)

[frithiof]

Sodaholic said:

Looks too clown-like. Try to keep color selection limited to two or so major colors.

I might be in the minority here, but I think clowns can be scary.

[raymoohawk]

here is another possibility

[funduke]

raymoohawk said:

here is another possibility

This looks very cool.
Greetings
Funduke

[BaronOfStuff]

Sodaholic said:

Looks too clown-like.

I can't be the only one who thought of Doink when I saw the colour combination.

Liking the latest version of this thing though (along with all the new stuff I am seeing here).

[raymoohawk]

polishing the eliminator design



i know the arms are weird and look backwards, but ill correct it in the next revision (ill prbably use those arms for the back view frames)

SLIGHTLY OFF TOPIC

eriance reuploaded some of his sprites, i was checking them out and he has some cool looking weapons and items, but i cant tell if they where done from scratch are if they reuse stuff from doom, anyone want to check? theres some promising looking spheres

http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=46963

[Catoptromancy]

He needs to release them here and agree to the Freedoom license. Though it effectively nullifies the CC as anyone can use them and then claim they used the Freedoom version.

I did not read if its a standard CC license, free only for non-commercial.

[raymoohawk]

i was revising the stuff and it seems he has a mixture of stuff he did from scratch and other stuff that consists of edits, however he mentioned he had intended to submit them to DECK wich is a public domain project, so maybe that could give the stuff that is from scratch a pass? i will try to contact him later to clarify this stuff

SUPER SHAMELESS PLUG

this is a class project for next semester wich will be my last in college, it is meant to be a challenging learning experience, please consider participating

http://www.doomworld.com/vb/creative-works/70695-monster-design-contest-i-will-sprite-the-winning-design-for-you/

dont worry this will not hurt my commitmment to freedoom, as it starts all the way to february

[raymoohawk]

does he look better in brown?

[raymoohawk]

after seeing the dissapointment of fraggle at the worm dog i tried to make a dog sprite... then i epic failed



and a marined version

[fabian]

raymoohawk said:

and a marined version

Armored bunnies are fine, too. :D

[raymoohawk]

daisy returned as a marine!

[Xindage]

maybe these dogs sprites can replce the original MBF ones :)

[Gez]

MBF: Hare of the Dog edition

[Soundblock]

raymoohawk said:

does he look better in brown?

Looks like he has a case of high blood pressure and severe anger in red! Brown looks... too tanned? Perhaps not a lucky color-match for tentacle monsters?

[Doomkid]

Maybe try it in a slime green, or doom demon pink? The sprite is excellent though.

[raymoohawk]

the bunny dogs were meant for sourceeports that have dogs like mbf or prboom, but theres no way my bunny looking thing would be a worthy replacement