Lets talk about the story

[LANEGRACABRA]

doom_is_great said:

Well, the enemies disintegrated just for performance issues. It was a design decision meant to improve performance just like not being able to hold the flashlight and a gun at the same time.

I honestly thought that Doom 3's story had some interesting elements to it, such as the ancient alien civilization. Would have been cool if they had some more levels where you explored more of the ancient ruins.

Doom 3 could have been an awesome game if they had just made the combat better, the levels not so linear, allowed you to hold a flashlight and a gun at the same time, etc. Not everything from Doom 3 was crap.

Don't get me wrong, I loved Doom3 and it's expansion when it came out and been looking for a chance to play the BFG edition. The plot just felt really forced.

[Deleted_Account]

The year is 2245, the Earth is overpopulated and resources have been stretched thin. Global warming, war etc has made the Earth a difficult place to live and mankind has decided to look to the sky for hope. Man has looked to space to setup offworld colonies on several celestial bodies. The Union Aerospace Corporation, a massive military conglomerate. Interplanetary travel, military weapons, biological research and development, they excel at it all. However, the crown jewel of their efforts are the endeavors into teleportation technology. Capable of tearing open a hole into the very fabric of the universe and instantly transporting materials from one spot to another. With the potential to travel to other planets, even other star systems.

All of this has been secretly performed at the aging, out of the way Argent facility on the red planet Mars. However, their most recent experiment has gone awry. They have opened a portal further than any planets in our solar system, further than stars, further than distant galaxies. They have ripped open a gateway into gulfs of unknown time and space, and nightmarish creatures have taken notice and spilled through into our reality. Hell has been unleashed, bringing carnage with it. These monsters are savagely attacking and killing everyone in their way. Those who are killed have also returned to life and joined the forces of darkness.

You are a super solider created the UAC, you have jut been activated to stop the nightmare horde by any means necessary. Do unto others before they do unto you!

[Clonehunter]

Piper Maru said:

The Doom 3 plot was great, but I think it was more fleshed out in the Doom 3 novels.

I think the novels may actually be a fleshed out version of what Doom 3's story was supposed to be. I remember seeing some D3 storyboards that featured General Halocyn from the novels, during what appeared to be the conference scene in the game between Swann/Campbell and Betruger.

[Tetzlaff]

LANEGRACABRA said:

The whole demon's being researched-business in Doom3 seemed really really cliche and badly designed concept. Disintegrating enemies, next thing you know they are laying on operating tables and suspended in tanks.

Why cliche? It's just plausible. If scientists on a Mars research base would encounter vaguely humanoid beings of unknown origin, of course they would put their corpses on operating tables and inside tanks and start researching. Give me a good reason why they should not do so!

Or would you rather have the story go like this:

Scientist1: What are these creatures? Maybe they belong to an indigenous species and where somehow roused by...

Scientist2: Stop right there! I don't want to know! They are just too creepy!

Scientist1: Yeah you are right... (shivers)

Later...

Sgt. Kelly: What can you tell me about those creatures?

Scientist1: Well, they probably aren't of human origin.

Scientist2: Are you sure? Maybe they are the result from a genetic experiment?

Scientist1: Who should have done it? It's just our research team here, and then the guys over at Alpha...

Scientist2: ... ah stop it! I don't want to know! Uargh...

Sgt. Kelly: Well, all I need to know is that they can be killed by conventional means!

Marine1: Sir, what should we do with the corpses?

Sgt. Kelly: Drop them into the toxic waste dump.

Three ours later. A toxic super imp arises from the slime pool...

[The 1st Gamer]

I just created a thread about the Amazon product listing for Doom but figured I would post something here as well. In the description under Story the page states: "STORY:
You’ve come here for a reason. The Union Aerospace Corporation’s massive research facility on Mars is overwhelmed by fierce and powerful demons, and only one person stands between their world and ours. As the lone DOOM Marine, you’ve been activated to do one thing – kill them all." Does the word activated mean the marine is a machine owned by the UAC?

[Deleted_Account]

I'm betting the marine is part of the UAC's super soldier program. He's most likely a human with cybernetic augmentations, or in the very least pumped up with a massive dose of some kind of serum which grants super strength, agility or it has to do with the power suit. Time will tell, of course.

[LANEGRACABRA]

It was bit strange when Pete Hines and Marty Stratton used the words "activated to do only one thing", I immediately thought of some sort of super soldier but discarded the thought. Demon-Obliterating Overpowered Marine. I could see Doomguy being a UAC killswitch operator.

[dsm]

doom_is_great said:

I honestly thought that Doom 3's story had some interesting elements to it, such as the ancient alien civilization. Would have been cool if they had some more levels where you explored more of the ancient ruins.

The Doom 3 storyline had a solid foundation - they just executed it rather poorly.

I do like the idea that a brilliant scientist gets too close to Hell during a particularly risky sets of experiments with teleportation tech and it screws with him to the point where he slowly goes demonically insane, ultimately sabotages the teleporters or takes the research in a direction where he's actually building a portal to Hell without anyone else realizing that this is what he's doing, and unleashes Hell.

If they had written the character of Betruger better (maybe given him a different name to seem less obviously evil), made him more subtle and charismatic, perhaps even likable (until he reveals his true colours), then the Doom 3 plot had been much better.

I liked the inclusion of an Alien civilization too, but didn't like what they did with them (they made the same mistakes as the Humans, but managed to defeat Hell? Weak. Humans couldn't even invent teleporters without borrowing the tech from Ancient Aliens? Really disappointing! Humans are only really technologically advanced because they're descended from Aliens? Fuck off!).

As for the Doom 4 story, well, I don't know if I care if they reinvent the old Doom story. I like the basic Doom plot so well as it is.
I'm only really interested in them fleshing out the circumstances and the reasons for the teleporters screwing up and opening portals to Hell and doing so in a way that's interesting and inspiring.

I don't know if I want the Doom guy to be a super soldier now - I'd prefer him to be just a really tough, battle-hardened marine with years of active combat experience under his belt who's equipped with this new super-duper powersuit that gives him super-human capabilities, who happens to be just at the right place at the right time to avoid being corrupted by Hell, so he can kick Demon ass all the way back into the darkest corners of Hell.

[Captain Toenail]

Hold on... so UAC were experimenting with bad joojoo to create super soldiers... only this results in more demonic mutant freaks as usual... the only successful product being new Doomguy himself (explaining his new rip-and-tear can-do attitude)...

Would this mean that "no John, you are the demons" is canon?

[Deleted_Account]

In regards to story, according to the Doom wiki, Graham Joyce is writing the story of the new Doom game. Now, is that for the canceled version of Doom, or for the current version that was revealed at E3?

[insertwackynamehere]

dsm said:

The Doom 3 storyline had a solid foundation - they just executed it rather poorly.

I do like the idea that a brilliant scientist gets too close to Hell during a particularly risky sets of experiments with teleportation tech and it screws with him to the point where he slowly goes demonically insane, ultimately sabotages the teleporters or takes the research in a direction where he's actually building a portal to Hell without anyone else realizing that this is what he's doing, and unleashes Hell.

If they had written the character of Betruger better (maybe given him a different name to seem less obviously evil), made him more subtle and charismatic, perhaps even likable (until he reveals his true colours), then the Doom 3 plot had been much better.

I liked the inclusion of an Alien civilization too, but didn't like what they did with them (they made the same mistakes as the Humans, but managed to defeat Hell? Weak. Humans couldn't even invent teleporters without borrowing the tech from Ancient Aliens? Really disappointing! Humans are only really technologically advanced because they're descended from Aliens? Fuck off!).

As for the Doom 4 story, well, I don't know if I care if they reinvent the old Doom story. I like the basic Doom plot so well as it is.
I'm only really interested in them fleshing out the circumstances and the reasons for the teleporters screwing up and opening portals to Hell and doing so in a way that's interesting and inspiring.

I don't know if I want the Doom guy to be a super soldier now - I'd prefer him to be just a really tough, battle-hardened marine with years of active combat experience under his belt who's equipped with this new super-duper powersuit that gives him super-human capabilities, who happens to be just at the right place at the right time to avoid being corrupted by Hell, so he can kick Demon ass all the way back into the darkest corners of Hell.

Have you ever watched Event Horizon?

[dsm]

insertwackynamehere said:

Have you ever watched Event Horizon?

Yes.
Event Horizon had a pretty Doom'y plot to begin with, so I see no harm in borrowing from that source just a little, as long as you change circumstances around a bit, because as we all know: The Devil's in the details.

[mafon2]

Imagine, there would be genetic mutants plot from the movie?

Speculating on blue lab tubes and revenants in UMC armor. (And overall mutant look)

[Zemini]

mafon2 said:

Imagine, there would be genetic mutants plot from the movie?

Speculating on blue lab tubes and revenants in UMC armor. (And overall mutant look)

I hope not. That sounds like a awful sub plot.

STAY AWAY FROM THE MOVIE BETHESDA!

[Deleted_Account]

I hope Doom 4 is a sequel to the movie.

[The 1st Gamer]

Piper Maru said:

I hope Doom 4 is a sequel to the movie.

I actually liked the movie...

[printz]

Piper Maru said:

In regards to story, according to the Doom wiki, Graham Joyce is writing the story of the new Doom game. Now, is that for the canceled version of Doom, or for the current version that was revealed at E3?

Graham Joyce died September 9th, 2014.

[Deleted_Account]

printz said:

Graham Joyce died September 9th, 2014.

I was not aware, I'm sorry to hear that.

[mafon2]

printz said:

Graham Joyce died September 9th, 2014.

Than he's truly a man to bring the outworld experience to the game.

[Marnetmar]

printz said:

Graham Joyce died September 9th, 2014.

:(

Rest in Peace.

[Zemini]

The 1st Gamer said:

I actually liked the movie...

That is your opinion but I am sure it isn't shared by most doom fans.

I felt it highlighted exactly what is wrong in Hollywood. They didn't even follow the story line.

[Captain Toenail]

At least the first person sequence was fun, right?

[Deleted_Account]

"I'm taking a shit you fucking gimp".

Best.Line.Ever.