It seems we don't really exist.

[VGamingJunkie]

Xegethra said:

I'm quite interested in Fallout 4, I really enjoyed the original games and quite liked 3 and New Vegas, but yeah long live Doom!

It also does sadden me a little bit that just because he personally and a bunch of other people don't care for the game that they think their thoughts are actually true...no, people love the original Doom, just like they did 22 years a go. I can handle people not liking Doom, it's obvious it isn't for everybody, but to go on thinking that nobody likes it just because they don't is just silly and needlessly ignorant.

Honestly, the two aren't mutually exclusive, ID is the one actually developing the game with Bethesda merely Publishing it so it's not like Fallout 4 developmental resources are being sacrificed in the name of Doom development. You can be excited for both of them, I certainly am.

[IMX]

fraggle said:

There's a whole stream of similar retweets on doom_txt of people who obviously didn't care about the Doom reveal. So what? They're probably just Fallout fans desperately waiting to see the Fallout 4 announcement. Big deal.

Exactly. They had to wait until the end, kind of like we did two Quakecons ago with the whole Doom 2 tournament and the stupid mini-games.

Move on

[taufan99]

I don't know how to react to this one.

[SYS]

Oh noes, the mean people on Twitter said something mean!!!!

[Buckshot]

Memfis said:

Well, in the grand scheme of things we kind of don't. If Doomworld was really important, Doom 4 would have been very very different, we all know that right?

If you don't think they aren't paying attention on our feedback and opinions here... you are dead wrong.

[Deleted_Account]

Bethesda, please make Daisy a playable character!

[Doomkid]

Does anything really exist though?

[Linguica]

Buckshot said:

If you don't think they aren't paying attention on our feedback and opinions here... you are dead wrong.

I think they're not because there's like a couple hundred people here max, and they are intending to sell millions of copies

[Jaxxoon R]

60*200 is a decent amount of money.

[Deleted_Account]

I still hold the belief that Karl Urban and The Rock often visit these forums, and one day they will acknowledge us.

[Buckshot]

Linguica said:

I think they're not because there's like a couple hundred people here max, and they are intending to sell millions of copies

I admire your optimism, sir :)

Though I wouldn't rule it out entirely. They already ditched a crap design to give it a more classic DOOM story and overhaul, focused heavily on more monsters and swarms of them, and community standouts like BD, larger map designs unlike DOOM 3's narrow corridors... stuff like the ssg from the start. Modding and wadding and coop right out of the box.

It wouldn't suprise me if they sat back one day while going back to the drawing board and thought "let's focus on what the community thinks of DOOM and what made it cool then, what keeps it relevant now and lets build from there to keep it cool for tommorow..."

Am I wrong? probably. But that's just a improbability. Not an impossibilty.

just my 2 cents

[vtm]

Some attention at least, I bet they had a guy looking in the forums and reading some of the doom 3 rant wrote in the forums, or at least to check about the InstaDooM.

But the ultimately proof would be to find some impse in DooM (2015).

[Job]

vtm said:

But the ultimately proof would be to find some impse in DooM (2015).

Fatality plus ↑↑↓↓←→←→BA

Now you can't unthink it.

[FireFish]

They probably did some dead normal marketing research unrelated to the ego of ancient fans.

Stuff like ;

- Dissect the Gameplay and design of the original games ; check.
- Read why players really liked the game ; check.
- People really liked colored lighting and atmosphere ; check.
- Multiplayer must be a big deal for doom ; check.
- Map making must be easy ; check.
- Read a bit of Hardcore fan complaint and praises ; check.

To then find a way to sell this rejuvenated concept in a way they wont go bankrupt.
Modernize to much and the hardcore fans have a mental breakdown, make it to elite and dated and everybody would undergo a mental breakdown and the company could lose millions of dollars.

[Mithran Denizen]

vtm said:

Some attention at least, I bet they had a guy looking in the forums and reading some of the doom 3 rant wrote in the forums, or at least to check about the InstaDooM.

But the ultimately proof would be to find some impse in DooM (2015).

If there's no sex minigame they're disrespecting the fanbase.

[GreyGhost]

FractalXX said:

but despite we're not considered as an "official" community,

I hope we never reach the point of needing Zenimax's approval or consent in order to post on a public fan forum, or for that matter to have a forum to post on.

Doomkid said:

Does anything really exist though?

Probably not. I'm reasonably sure I'm a just figment of my imagination. ;)

[Marnetmar]

Are you real? Am I real? Are any of us real? Are these forums real? IS ANYTHING REAL?

[Patrol1985]

Cybersexdemon said:

I bet he is one of these cunts who played only Fallout 3 but have the most to say about how great this franchise is.

That's actually spot on. I've met some fanatic Fallout "fans" and they're always like "OMG PART 3 AND NEW VEGAS WERE THE BEST", but when you try to get justification for the opinion in the form of comparison with former games (I've completed FO1, FO2 and FOT so I can talk about those) it turns out they have never even played the isometric ones...

I haven't played FO3 and onwards, but yeah, I'm not really convinced to the product having witnessed its audience... though I could say the same about the majority of Brutal Doom fans and I really enjoyed the mod :P

[Blastfrog]

Jaxxoon R said:

60*200 is a decent amount of money.

Not nearly enough to make a profit on a AAA game. :P

[Jaxxoon R]

Better than getting $0 from a potential source of buyers.

[IMX]

I know for a fact that they might have read at least ONE thread from here.

Romero knows about Doomworld, and at least three other game developers too. There has to be at least ONE person inside the modern id software team that KNOWS about the oldest Doom forum on the internet.

[FireFish]

Patrol1985 said:

That's actually spot on. I've met some fanatic Fallout "fans" and they're always like "OMG PART 3 AND NEW VEGAS WERE THE BEST", but when you try to get justification for the opinion in the form of comparison with former games (I've completed FO1, FO2 and FOT so I can talk about those) it turns out they have never even played the isometric ones...

It does not even matter if those people played the ancient 2D rpg's or not. they are fans of the modern full 3D reboots. People can be gigantic fans of MODERN continuations , and they do not need to justify themselves to weird hardcore minorities stuck in 199?.

Just as if people might become hardcore extreme fans of Doom 4 and think its the best game ever named DooM... It is not up to some freaky guy stuck in 1993 to force his way upon them and make them like or play that extremely ancient ugly thing from way back when.

[Linguica]

IMX said:

There has to be at least ONE person inside the modern id software team that KNOWS about the oldest Doom forum on the internet.

They KNOW about Doomworld for sure - it would be some sort of game developer malpractice for them to not know about the largest extant fansite for the game series they are making a new installment of, which also happens to be one of the longest running dedicated-game-enthusiast websites on the internet. I just don't think our half-formed, often contradictory opinions and ideas are of much value to them, and rightly so.

If Doomworld has influenced the creation of Doom 4, it's the fact that a dedicated community still existing for a 1993 game (and the lack of any long term community for its 2004 incarnation...) lends credence to the notion that the game has some very specific aspects that have enabled its incredible longevity, and the new game would do well to emulate those.

Then again, id's original concept for Doom 4 was the widely maligned Call of Doomy, so... draw your own conclusions.

[Vorknkx]

I've been a member of many online gaming communities over the last 15 years, but none has proven to be as persistent, creative, friendly and flexible as the Doom community. Look at it - 21 (and a half) years later it's still alive and strong. How many others can say this?

Just a little example - a while ago there was a "war" going on in the Descent community due to having two different source ports. Apparently, that is "too much" for them to handle. I wonder what they'd think if they could see the number of active source port projects for Doom.

Other communities I've been a part of have either fallen apart or devolved into chaotic bunches of people who do nothing but shout expletives at each other all the time, regardless of topic (so any real communication becomes impossible).

[Walter confetti]

FireFish said:

If that is his real face on his profile picture i would automatically think he has mental issues because he would then look 30+ while acting like a damaged teen... Unless he is joking and releasing some frustration because some of those retarded kids got to him on those Youtube chats and mentally retarded comment sections on gaming sites.

There's people like this guy in every social media site, in my experiences on Italian Facebook commenters, stupid people are everywhere. Especially in political, satyrical and online news site there's always the phenomenon who put a retarded comment about any kind of shit with more paranoid, obtuse and "panic induced" bullshit...

[joe-ilya]

Marnetmar said:

Are you real? Am I real? Are any of us real? Are these forums real? IS ANYTHING REAL?

Does existence exist?

[Quasar]

I tried to load up the wiki this morning and I got a "506 community does not exist" error; at least now I know why :P

[VGamingJunkie]

Linguica said:

I think they're not because there's like a couple hundred people here max, and they are intending to sell millions of copies

Doomworld isn't literally the whole Classic Doom community, which they seem to be trying to appease here. It's obvious that they're at least somewhat trying to nail the classic Doom's combat, even if it's not as ideal as many would have liked.

[roadworx]

Holy shit, dude...That's deep. We're just empty shells; not even human. Just...dead inside. We float about, making our homes on the web. We're robots, just going through the motions like we're supposed to, but we have no personality, no feelings other than fear and pain. A void. We're just a void...

Either that, or this guy is just full of shit :/

[JasonWanderer]

Just to put it into perspective...

I've been a DOOM lover for years, but I've never joined the Doomworld forums.

Sure, I've been on here, but I never actually joined the community and yet here I am.

The community is still growing, so anyone who said it is non-existent has absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

That being said though, how many of us here can say we just started getting into DOOM after playing a ton of modern games growing up?

Probably not many, to none at all.
The truth is, most of us are here because we've been playing and modding DOOM for years and years.

No modern day gamer wants to be part of this community.

So we do definitely exist, but at the same time (in a sad way) we're dying out slowly.

~ Jason