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[Guest PennyWise]

First of all, let's not start to talk about a style the heavily scripted levels have, because there are like three of them around. My opinion is that the best way is to use scripting as a tool to immerse the player into the level's world. It should just complement Doom's original gameplay, not replace it. And that's what we are trying to do in PD2; to maintain Doom's own gameplay, but also bring new elements to the game with ACS. Tei Tenga and Doom2000 were good in scripting, but especially Doom2000 as levels really sucked. Let's not forget the great-looking and playing levels that were order of the day before many people got into ACS. When people started to use ACS in their levels, it seems that they forgot to design levels that were great in every aspect, not only ACS scripting. And what comes to Cyb's newest effort, the scripting is really good (plot and theme aside), and "complemets" the gameplay. But oh no. Where's the level design? Try to think playing the Mass Mouth level set without scripting. Would it be as good? I don't think so. The level design is non-existent, and without scripting the levels would be a waste of time. I have nothing against Cyb, I just hate the news he puts on DoomNation. Funny is ok, but WHEN IT'S FUNNY! I know sense of humour is a personal thing, but come, can't the man write even one good news thing without any stupid comments or lame jokes. Bottom line: Mass Mouth has pretty good scripting, but the level design is bad, and the idea is just stupid. Cyb really has too much free time (I have done something similar with ACS scripting with BuckaZoid, but it's something that took us 5 hours to finish, and we won't release it :)! And remember, all this above is just MY PERSONAL OPINION. It seems that in that Legacy bash we did last May people forgot that. Personal opinions, remember?

[Guest Anonymous User]

ACS'es and monster hordes aren't opposites and they can be combined. The ACS'es is used in the start to get you into it (interactive briefing), during level in small amounts to mark places of great importance. (After at last finding the crucial keycard. After killing the big badass). As small tricks/secrets a machine you have to operate in order to achieve something. Between those ACS'es there is plenty of room for good ol-school action.)

[Cyb]

Having ACS heavy maps + regular themed Doom maps is a very hard thing to do. Yeah the MassMouth maps would be pretty crappy without scripts, but they were never meant to be played without scripts, so you can't really say that sort of thing.

I don't get what you mean by 'the idea is just stupid' however. What idea? The idea that I edit levels for a 5 year old game? The idea that I edit levels to please no one but myself? I don't do any of this stuff which I do to make other people happy. I edit levels because I enjoy it, and I enjoy how other people like them. I update DN because I enjoy it, same with DD and my regular page. Don't even begin to talk about my personal life though. You have no clue that I have 'too much free time'. I have a steady job which I'm at anywhere from 12-22 hours per week, I hang out with friends (going to meet them in an hour in fact), I participate in a few after school things, the only thing I really see that I don't do is watch a lot of TV (usually an hour a day or so). When I do have free time I do something which I enjoy.
Fine, you didn't like Massmouth, that doesn't bother me one bit. You can't please all of the people all of the time, but next time try to stick to the goddamned thread topic.

[Guest nitro]

Dear Mr. Cyb, I think that what PennyWise tried to say (and he said it pretty well IMO) was that he didn't like the idea of the Mass Mouth character. And that the "you have too much free time" part simply means that your wad totally sucked. End of story. BTW, of course he doesn't know how much (or little) free time you have, you dork! :) It was sort of a joke. But do you give a rats ass? Of course you don't 'cause you're Cyb! So there.