csDoom Problems

[Guest Street Spirit]

Mr. Anonymous 23:07:31 gave me an idea. If he continues this crap, i can send him an email bomb and really fuck him up. Hell, i can give anyone who has enough brains to configure the bomber properly the program, and we can gang bomb the doomroom bastards. Hehehe....... this promises to be fun.

[Guest Daggah]

You want to use programs with backdoors? Fine. This time it's only something that allows cheating in a DOOM deathmatch. Next time, it could be something like Back Orifice that lets the programmer pretty much f*** with your system any way he pleases. Do you want that? No, you don't want that. Yes, it's his program. But it's also your computer. You want to use software that you can't trust, that's your decision. I just don't want to see you whining when suddenly your computer can't find its copy of Windows. :)

[Lüt]

You know what, I am only going to quote you; no comments necessary.

"2) #doomroom is not AT ALL affiliated with Doomworld. Just because the damn Java client points to us reflects nothing about affiliation."

"3) #doomroom is not about Doom."

4) If you don't like us and/or what we do, then leave us alone.

You crack me up.

[Guest Street Spirit]

You're not getting my point, Daggah. What reason does FLY have to actually do that? Now that i think about it, FLY has a reason to do that now cause you all burned him for his decisions. Gawd, ya'll like to fuck yourselves over, dontcha? You people need to stop and think........ thinking is good........ i suggest you try it sometime.

[Guest Street Spirit]

Wow, a Pear Jam lyric from "Do the Evolution" can come to Fly's defense. This is the sign that's on my cubicle door: "This land is mine. This land is free. I'll do what I want, but irresponsibly."

[locust]

... at least there's no longer a closed source project being hosted on SourceForge. That really irked me.

[Guest Daggah]

Forget it. I'd rather debate this with individuals not lacking in the intelligence area.

[Guest Norse Ghost]

Alrighty then...Doomworld did the right thing by "printing" some information that is just that, information. I was a newspaper editor on a weekly for a few years and I had a few wonderful experiences with the public when it came to printing unpleasant news. The mentality was: No, we don't want to print something alarming, it might offend some upper-crust bastard sitting at the table in morning drinking his coffee. That wouldn't be proper conduct. NOT. Good job, Doomworld. I think this shit with Fly would make a nice "case study" on what to do and not to do with your Doom Port. Some lessons can be learned here. I hope Lingucia and the crew do some follow-up on this fiasco and release some facts on who did what and why. As for NightFang, take this baby and run! Don't let your head get big :) I really am in awe of Fly's accomplishments, but I am inclined to feel that he is one arrogant MF. He wants to be on top of the rockpile and has apparently hung himself. Hell, go read the posts by Fly in the forum on his homepage. He has responded to posts by calling people "lame" and there sure has been plenty of "hahahahha" shit going on like he thinks he's King Shit. I never have seen a Doom port author with such shitty, meglomaniac mannerisms. I think Fly is very clever 17-year-old and it is my guess that he could have the potential to have some dirty tricks up his sleeve to satisfy his ego. It's too bad he doesn't have the maturity to deal with the ups and downs of his project -- and draw some fine lines on what is ethical within the circle of the majority, i.e. the gaming community. All this spewage is just my opinion...I hate to see Fly hang it up, but I think NightFang or someone can carry on the torch just fine. Fly has done amazing things, unfortunately his ego has caused things to blow up in his face.

[Guest Norse Ghost]

One more thing, who is this "tom_" guy that Fly is pointing his finger to? Did this guy actually try to "blackmail" Fly into releasing the latest csDoom source code?

[myk]

Norse Ghost: tom_ is Mystican. Who made the info in the post available and had a certain (and psychotic) need to prove that Fly wasn't a good ("oh, well, lets try dishonest, it may work better") programmer. One of the #doomroom ops. Daggah: try to be a bit more polite, eh (calling other people stupid is sad at its best)?

[Guest Tawney]

Tom_ is actualy Mystican. He took over Fly's IRC channel and made him release the source code to CSDoom. Then he did it again today and Fly abandoned his project.

While I think Mystican went a little overboard, I think it serves fly right for being so immature and cocky-headed. I've seen him in action on the forums and chat rooms with a serious egotistical attitude problem and his head shoved up his ass.

But CSDoom has shown a new light...The torch has been relit by Nightfang, a MUCH more reliable person and much smarter, friendlier, and more helpful and positive than Fly could ever be. I've known Nightfang for a while, and I know that he is trustworthy and reliable. He'll release the source to the public, he won't write a hole in the code, and then not defend himself or his actions. The best reason however, would be he will be much more helpful then fly, and he will listen to people's ideas. I'm sure with Nightfang on the project, it will be finished clean, practically bug-free, and will have all the features the newest games have today.

Trsut me, I truely believe CSDoom is better off with Nightfang.<P> Note: The people against Fly aren't going to attack Nightfang. They have no reason to!

[Guest Street Spirit]

STREET SPIRITS AROUND THE WORLD SUPPORT FLY!!!! COME JOIN IN ON THE FUN! BEER! GIRLS! SEX! ROCK'N'ROLL! FREE FOOD! heheheh fun!

[Guest Xoap]

Clan ZOU stands with Fly all the way! YEAH! WOOHOO! Go Fly! You have friends in ZOU! Ok people... why the hell would Fly want to abuse having a backdoor, anyway?!? csDoom rules no matter what! -Me speaking for all of ZOU!

[Guest Xoap]

Oh yeah! I forgot something! As Street Spirit put it: YEAH! BEERS! GIRLS! ROCK-N-ROLL! HELL YEAH!

[Guest Street Spirit]

I must admit i got the GIRLS! BEER! SEX! bit from xoap. we were talking about it in #doomworld. I just thought he'd like to get his credit..... hehehe
COME JOIN IN ON THE FUN! BEER! GIRLS! SEX! ROCK'N'ROLL! FREE FOOD!

[Guest Norse Ghost]

Mystican did that? Holy shit! I checked out his webpage and he certainly is an interesting character. Ruthless fellow we have here. Actually good to have him around. Yeah, he perhaps went overboard...Thanks for the info. It's a dog-eat-dog world out there.

[Guest Anonymous User]

Wow, well, that explains Yeti's parting words on his site re: myst then. Which I won't repeat. I wondered why Yeti was so angry, but having met tom/mystican, I can easily see why.

[Lüt]

How does somebody "take over" an IRC chat, and what does doing that accomplish?

[Guest ORKFACE]

you are an individual lacking in the intelligence area As for this csdoom thing I am newish to net play and csdoom is the only smooth DM games I've had but fly being able to mess with your sever in not good I mean where is the positive in it people set there severs to how they want them not how fly or any one else wants them. They use csdoom because it is proble the best for net play but every one of you must realise that this was no misstake he didn't accidently give him self a backdoor to ever sever that run's csdoom he put it there so he could use it nobody programs thing's in unless they plan on using them. As for the two people being locked out well if I was making a kick ass source port I'd lock my worst enermys out of it

[NiGHTMARE]

To all those idiots saying that Fly has a right to put a backdoor into your program: no he fucking doesn't! Imagine if Microsoft or one of the Linux companies put a backdoor into their OS meaning they could get into your computer. Would you like that? Didn't think so. In fact, I'm pretty damned sure that backdoors such as this are ILLEGAL in certain countries (internet privacy laws, etc). And Doomworld can post whatever they like, its their website after all.

[NiGHTMARE]

NT

[Guest Daggah]

You seem to agree with me on the issue at hand.

Also, if you're going to call someone dumb, you might be better off doing it in a post with as many periods as actual sentences. You've got nine sentences, and two periods there. Seriously.

Myk, sorry if you feel I'm being rude. I don't see any other action to take against someone who believes that having backdoors in software is a good thing! Nick's right, period. How can you use a piece of software when you know, without a doubt, that there's at least one security flaw INTENTIONALLY added to it? Street Spirit, you must think that Microsoft also has every right to make its Outlook Express client vulnerable to the recent e-mail worms, too, do you not?

[Guest Street Spirit]

Daggah, I'm an STS tech. I know all about backdoors and what not. First off NT has a back door. Second, have no idea what you are talkinga about with reguards to Outlook Express. Only ignorant people go off and blame a big company cause they dont understand something. When you are designing a program (ie Outlook) you have to consider the risks. If you put in too many security features, the program will not allow the user much freedom. Secondly, the email viruses are not exploiting a security gap. Do you know what the only security countermeasure there is to that type of bug? If you disable incomming messages, or messages with attatchements, you're safe, otherwise, you take the risk. so, i suggest that you think before you speak and know the topic on about which you speak of.

I will say it again! I SUPPORT FLY! JOIN IN ON THE FUN! BEER! SEX! GIRLS! FREE FOOD, AND THE CHANCE TO IMMOLATE DAGGAH!

[KING ELVIS]

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ! No day without shitty crap outrages ! ...but csDoom site is back...and 0.62 is released :-) Make my day.

[Guest Anonymous User]

The program is very good, but you can't put backdoors inside your code to take control whenever you feel like it... To compare it to Outlook is not right at all, we are talking about email any client can be used to retrieve virusses it's just that Outlook is the most used one thus everyone claiming it's MS fault.. No i'm not defending MS because they do alot of stupid things but putting the blame there is wrong... Thus comparing it with this MS didn't do that on purpose to allow virusses, The backdoor in CSDoom is built in on purpose thus breaking the privacy law... Take it out and say your sorry.. Then you will have one of the best doom ports available.. If this get's out of hand all your work will be for nothing cause people wouldn't want it with backdoors... Just my 2cents...

[Guest Anonymous User]

I knew of the backdoor's existence. The backdoor was in there so rcon could be tested in a private test of version 0.6 ... just because it was forgotten about when cleaning the source up for 0.6 beta release, does that mean Fly is a bad person?

And all of you with your heads shoved up your OWN asses, check the rest of the server code. Now that you have the client code, check that too. If you don't know programming or what the hell you are talking about, then I suggest you fuck off.

However, if you do demonstrate a true backdoor, I'm open to revising my opinion.

[Arioch]

"I knew of the backdoor's existence. The backdoor was in there so rcon could be tested in a private test of version 0.6 ... just because it was forgotten about when cleaning the source up for 0.6 beta release, does that mean Fly is a bad person?"

That was me!

[Guest Anonymous User]

most of you people bitching are missing the point. It's less about the fact that a backdoor was put in the program, and more about the fact that it was undocumented. Since those were undocumented, who knows if other things are implemented that weren't talked about either? What if this had gone through, would fly add even more in the next version? maybe. and that's why i applaud doomworld for at least bringing this to light. and pity those who said we should accept it merely because we have a dying community or whatever. Thank you doomworld for not sacrificing integrity over "helping the project". and in the end, it was jackasses taking over a channel that ended the project anyway. what loyalty, eh? and don't tell me that you know fly and he wouldn't do anything terrible. so fucking what? i don't know him. i have every right to be suspicious. he has every right to put it in there, but doomworld has every right to warn us. -Ermac (too lazy to get an account)

[Arioch]

There's the source. Take a look at that. I doubt the csdoom client can do anything terrible to your computer other than crash it.

[Guest Carnage Galore]

To all those who say that it was our fault that csdoom was 'killed', because we dared to point out the faulty code in it...
Clinton, when he was impeached, tried to blame the Republicans, not becuase they did anything wrong, but because they had the nerve to prosecute him.
Or imagine a criminal actually suing the judge that convicted him. (This probably hasn't happened yet, but it most likely will soon.)

In other words, simply pointing out the bad code (whether legal or not) won't 'kill' the port. Only one person can decide to end any port, TC, PC, etc., and that's the one who started it in the frst place.
Now, as for whether he has the right to put such a code into his program, he may have the right to put in anything he wants, but if no one plays it, it won't matter anyway. You could write a program with more back doors than actual useful code, but if no one uses it, it goes the way of New Coke. Really, the only thing that 'died' was the version of csdoom, since the new version seems to be out now.