Hellbent Posted July 23, 2000 The following is a recorded conversation of two doom editers trying to get a wad to work. Ralhpis' wad works on his machine -but not on Chester's. It's your mission to find out why... ralphis sfr6: hhmm Chesterules: well? ralphis sfr6: hhmmyou have doom2? ralphis sfr6: i have an idea Chesterules: ok Chesterules: do it ralphis sfr6: i will make it doom2 and then give it to you and then convert it back to doom1 ralphis sfr6: ok ralphis sfr6: ok ralphis sfr6: listen up ralphis sfr6: you will need to realign the map so the flats are in the right place ralphis sfr6: otherwise the teleporters look wrong ralphis sfr6: but you toy with it Chesterules: align flats? Chesterules: err... Chesterules: flats are the floor and sceilings? ralphis sfr6: it is only on the 2 teleporters ralphis sfr6: you just got to move the teleporters over Chesterules: but you can do that? ralphis sfr6: just do it yourself ralphis sfr6: it went along with converting the map to doom2 Chesterules: hmm... I'm lost Chesterules: oh well Chesterules: they'll just have to look wrong ralphis sfr6: if you play this straight off doom2 you cant beat it ralphis sfr6: ok listen ralphis sfr6: it wont be hard ralphis sfr6: you will see what i mean ralphis sfr6: you only gotta move a sector over! ralphis sfr6: sent Chesterules: ah, ok Chesterules: no prob ralphis sfr6: wait ralphis sfr6: it aint Chesterules: ? ralphis sfr6: it should be now Chesterules: should be what? ralphis sfr6: SENT! ralphis sfr6: are you drunk?> Chesterules: no - high ralphis sfr6: oh ok Chesterules: yhou sure it's sent? ralphis sfr6: thats why you seem extremely dumb Chesterules: yeah. ralphis sfr6: give it a few minutes ralphis sfr6: the internet is congested here Chesterules: so all I gotta do is move it so it fits on the 64 grid? Chesterules: right? ralphis sfr6: yea ralphis sfr6: thats all i was saying Chesterules: k ralphis sfr6: now does that seem so hard? Chesterules: no, no, not at all ralphis sfr6: you know how to convert it to Doom1 right? Chesterules: probably ralphis sfr6: ok, right Chesterules: lol Chesterules: i'll figure it out ralphis sfr6: you really are high man ralphis sfr6: look ralphis sfr6: this is what you do Chesterules: deep97 is pretty good ralphis sfr6: go into doom1 mode and copy the map Chesterules: no man, i got it under control ralphis sfr6: then close it and go into doom2 mode ralphis sfr6: wait ralphis sfr6: ok ralphis sfr6: i was saying it wrong anyways Chesterules: yeah... Chesterules: whose high? ralphis sfr6: youi Chesterules: this year would be better than next Chesterules: but if the internet is so congested that I have to wait till then, so be it ralphis sfr6: what?! Chesterules: the level hasn't sent ralphis sfr6: actually i just found out i never sent it Chesterules: whose high? ralphis sfr6: it sent now Chesterules: you sure about that ralhpy? ralphis sfr6: yea i am ralphis sfr6: and it is spelled ralphie Chesterules: yeah well - I can't type so good like. ralphis sfr6: ok ralphis sfr6: well check and see if it is there now Chesterules: I did a thousand times Chesterules: it's not there ralphster, it's just not there. ralphis sfr6: do it again ! ralphis sfr6: well it will be Chesterules: come the next coming Chesterules: finally Chesterules: small littel bugger Chesterules: little even ralphis sfr6: yea Chesterules: so this is a doom2 map? ralphis sfr6: ... ralphis sfr6: man, gotta lay off on the frugs Chesterules: map01? ralphis sfr6: er ralphis sfr6: drugs Chesterules: actually, I don't do drugs ralphis sfr6: no Chesterules: Losers don't do drugs. ralphis sfr6: i had to make it doom2 so it would send ralphis sfr6: now make it a doom1 map Chesterules: I mean, Winners don't do drugs. ralphis sfr6: haha Chesterules: rigth - just gonna see if it will play as doom2 Chesterules: map 01? ralphis sfr6: yea, it will ralphis sfr6: but ralphis sfr6: it wont look right and you cant win because there is no 666 tag Chesterules: what map does it replace damnit? Chesterules: if it's map 01 - it don't work. Chesterules: map 30? ralphis sfr6: what is wrong with my map?! Chesterules: what map does it replace in doom2? Chesterules: I want to make sure it'll work ralphis sfr6: 1 Chesterules: well - it didn't wrok Chesterules: wrok Chesterules: work ralphis sfr6: AAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 ralphis sfr6: why me!? Chesterules: cause you are cursed ralphis sfr6: there must be an error in the map Chesterules: dunno Chesterules: it's odd Chesterules: i'll try opening it in doom2 ralphis sfr6: yea Chesterules: err - deep97 - in doom2 mode ralphis sfr6: this never happened before Chesterules: same thing -- won't load ralphis sfr6: WHY??!!!!!!!!??????? Chesterules: when you play it it works? ralphis sfr6: i will rebuild it ralphis sfr6: yea ralphis sfr6: works fine for me ralphis sfr6: your the second person it wont work for Chesterules: odd - very odd indeed Chesterules: doesn't make a shred of sense Chesterules: unless I have the wrong version of something or other ralphis sfr6: no ralphis sfr6: it dont Chesterules: but it own't eve4n open in the editor Chesterules: that's what's weird ralphis sfr6: no ralphis sfr6: it is fine on yours ralphis sfr6: trust me ralphis sfr6: i know ralphis sfr6: (crying) Chesterules: lol Chesterules: gaggoomy ralphis sfr6: hhmm ralphis sfr6: should i make a new map? Chesterules: well wht to do? Chesterules: I know - get deepsea shareware ralphis sfr6: ok Chesterules: mark all the sectors in your map in wadauthor ralphis sfr6: then what? ralphis sfr6: see if i can open it there? Chesterules: and paste them in deepsea Chesterules: then save it ralphis sfr6: ok Chesterules: before saving - press F10 then B. Chesterules: after you have it all set up of course. ralphis sfr6: F10 B? ralphis sfr6: whats that do? Chesterules: F10 is the checker Chesterules: don't worry about F10 untill you're in the editor Chesterules: and after you've pasted your level into Deepsea Chesterules: B tells the level checker to search for all errors ralphis sfr6: ok Chesterules: let me know when you're done dling it. Chesterules: www.sbsoftware.com ralphis sfr6: i used to have it ralphis sfr6: but i got rid of it cuz i didnt like it Chesterules: it's all I know - so I naturally wouldn't know if it is good or not ralphis sfr6: ah Chesterules: are you dling it? ralphis sfr6: yea ralphis sfr6: DEEPSEA? ralphis sfr6: deep97 aint up there Chesterules: deepsea deep97 - nod iffer ence ralphis sfr6: ok Chesterules: node iff erence Chesterules: no difference Chesterules: sorry Chesterules: you got a slow modem, there, johnny? ralphis sfr6: i have a 56k ralphis sfr6: and it can cook ralphis sfr6: just congested around here tonight Chesterules: it is saturday Chesterules: after all ralphis sfr6: remember i live right outside philly Chesterules: right Chesterules: 86%? Chesterules: 86% done? Chesterules: where's your dl at? ralphis sfr6: huh ralphis sfr6: i dont know ralphis sfr6: 40% Chesterules: jeezus! ralphis sfr6: im reconnecting Chesterules: getright ralphis sfr6: what? Chesterules: you use getright? ralphis sfr6: i have file resume ralphis sfr6: i can pick up where i left off Chesterules: k ralphis sfr6: if i reconnect it will run faster ralphis sfr6 signed off at 9:47:19 PM. ralphis sfr6 signed on at 9:54:21 PM. ralphis sfr6: ok ralphis sfr6: alot faster now Chesterules: good good ralphis sfr6: i am using a different dialup Chesterules: all the west coasters went to bed ralphis sfr6: huh? ralphis sfr6: why? ralphis sfr6: its only 6:45 there Chesterules: cause it's late - and they gotta sleep Chesterules: woops Chesterules: wrong way Chesterules: n/m Chesterules: no - it's not hte weed ralphis sfr6: .... Chesterules: the even ralphis sfr6: oh ok ralphis sfr6: i know you mispelled it ralphis sfr6: unless you make a major mistake you dont need to correct yourself Chesterules: so why you say something when I wrote ralhpie? obviously you could tel.. Chesterules: ahh - you make up your mind - eh? Chesterules: which is it gonna be - correct myself or no? ralphis sfr6: well that was my name! Chesterules: I'll correct myself if you want to - lol ralphis sfr6: you dont mispell my name! Chesterules: oh - sorry - your name! - jeez, don't want to mispeell you're *name*! Chesterules: it's not even your doggam name! ralphis sfr6: actually Chesterules: I'm not dislexic - it's not true. ralphis sfr6: it is Chesterules: lol Chesterules: really? Chesterules: heh ralphis sfr6: well you know ralphis sfr6: it is a version of it Chesterules: ppl call you ralphy? Chesterules: Hey ya ralphy? What's goin' on ralphy? ralphis sfr6: shut up! Chesterules: here Ralphy, Ralphy - here boy! Chesterules: lol ralphis sfr6: um ralphis sfr6: only my family calls me that Chesterules: lol Chesterules: sorry - I can't contain myself Chesterules: ifree kinda blows, eh? ralphis sfr6: huh? ralphis sfr6: ifreedom ralphis sfr6: no, i was using netzero Chesterules: oh ralphis sfr6: with no banner ads ralphis sfr6: ifreedom is faster Chesterules: eh? ralphis sfr6: nevermind Chesterules: 52% yet? ralphis sfr6: yea ralphis sfr6: past Chesterules: wow - it really shot up in speed htere ralphis sfr6: yea ralphis sfr6: i know ralphis sfr6: it is like at 70 Chesterules: jeezus! ralphis sfr6: exactly ralphis sfr6: 71 ralphis sfr6: 72 Chesterules: how many k/sec you geting? Chesterules: chuggin' right along ralphis sfr6: 1.88 but that is wrong ralphis sfr6: it is runnin way faster Chesterules: I'd hope so Chesterules: 4.88 is more like it ralphis sfr6: i am connected at 51000 Chesterules: wtf!!!!!!!! Chesterules: you bastard! ralphis sfr6: yea ralphis sfr6: on my 56k ralphis sfr6: hehe Chesterules: christ Chesterules: never herad of such high connections ralphis sfr6: me nither@ Chesterules: 49333 best I ever did ralphis sfr6: i guess i have good luck and bad luck Chesterules: after two days - never saw that speed again Chesterules: very odd. Chesterules: heeh ralphis sfr6: 80% Chesterules: jesus Chesterules: flying carrots on rockets ralphis sfr6: mwahaha! ralphis sfr6: my modem is like a mini cable modem Chesterules: heeh Chesterules: BOLD NEW WORLD ralphis sfr6: 92% Chesterules: wow Chesterules: be done in 4 minutes Chesterules: 98% ralphis sfr6: done Chesterules: sheehs Chesterules: well - let's hope dis verks Chesterules: where you at? ralphis sfr6: oh wait! ralphis sfr6: if linedefs have no sides can it mess the map up? Chesterules: lol! ralphis sfr6: can it? Chesterules: sure Chesterules: it ain't good ralphis sfr6: damnit! ralphis sfr6: that is probably it Chesterules: but - I'm not sure that it could be your problem Chesterules: maybe, though ralphis sfr6: well that gave some of the cool effects to the map Chesterules: hmm... Chesterules: well - I don't htink that's your problem... ralphis sfr6: cuz monsters came out of the floor ralphis sfr6: hhmm Chesterules: no lower texture? ralphis sfr6: yea Chesterules: no prob ralphis sfr6: no lower texture ralphis sfr6: hhmm ralphis sfr6: how about my imps under the pillars that rise up? Chesterules: I thought you were saying no sidefs on a linedef Chesterules: hmm. . no Chesterules: can't imagine ralphis sfr6: yea, ive seen these things done before Chesterules: well, whatcha doin" Chesterules: ???? ralphis sfr6: im workin on our site Chesterules: ¦h_¦h Chesterules: wtf? Chesterules: did you try what I suggested? ralphis sfr6: yea ralphis sfr6: the F10 B thing? Chesterules: so it's in deep97? Chesterules: and can you save it? ralphis sfr6: yea ralphis sfr6: ill try savin it Chesterules: that's the whole point Chesterules: you save it - send it to me - it works with me. ralphis sfr6: ok Chesterules: don't change any of the effects though ralphis sfr6: i didnt Chesterules: those aren't hte reason it ain't workiking Chesterules: k good ralphis sfr6: sent Chesterules: sweet Chesterules: doom 1 , right? ralphis sfr6: yea ralphis sfr6: work? Chesterules: hmm... Chesterules: no ralphis sfr6: ... ralphis sfr6: are you serious? Chesterules: sorry to be -- Chesterules: did you do any boom/zdoom type things in the level? Chesterules: or is it 100% compatible with original doom. ralphis sfr6: 100% original ralphis sfr6: hhmm ralphis sfr6: i got an idea Chesterules: well, wtf. Chesterules: ? ralphis sfr6: ill remove all monsters. ralphis sfr6: and things ralphis sfr6: then send it to you Chesterules: k. Chesterules: new name, thogh ralphis sfr6: maybe then it will work Chesterules: don't overwrite! ralphis sfr6: i know Chesterules: then you're not a dumb as you look... Chesterules: wait... ralphis sfr6: what? Chesterules: wait.. I don't know what you look like! ralphis sfr6: yea ralphis sfr6: no kiddin ralphis sfr6: oh ralphis sfr6: should i get rid of teleportation sports too? ralphis sfr6: spots ralphis sfr6: i think i found it! ralphis sfr6: what about cieling hieghts ralphis sfr6: would that ruin a map? ralphis sfr6: if something was very high? Chesterules: lower than the floor? Chesterules: how high! Chesterules: 4096 ralphis sfr6: no Chesterules: I've done 32,000 Chesterules: I think 32,000 is the limit ralphis sfr6: floor -1000 ceiling 256 ralphis sfr6: yea Chesterules: nope ralphis sfr6: ive done 32000 too Chesterules: not the problem ralphis sfr6: hhmm Chesterules: hehe Chesterules: I've done some whacked out wads ralphis sfr6: me too ralphis sfr6: im workin on a city one where you need to use zdoom and put falling damage on. it is new york city and you start on the twin towers. you need to jump to the other tower or you die Chesterules: heeh - cool Chesterules: I did one with damage had to be on ralphis sfr6: yea Chesterules: sorry - I broke off in mid sentence.. Chesterules: ... damage had to be on and there were no monsters Chesterules: you just had to figure out how to jump chasms Chesterules: and get by puzzles and what not Chesterules: kinda fun - but I never really finished it Chesterules: I NEVER finish any of my wads! ralphis sfr6: i like logical maps ralphis sfr6: i never finish any of mine wither ralphis sfr6: i always start a map and i work on it for a day and drop it ralphis sfr6: and it lays in my hd Chesterules: Mine don't wither - I just don't finish them ... uhh. Chesterules: yep Chesterules: same here Chesterules: millions of start ups Chesterules: only like 3 finished works. Chesterules: that's why this episode project is so hard for me ralphis sfr6: yea ralphis sfr6: i was going to make a doom2 tc back in the day but then i realized mymaps sucked ralphis sfr6: i had 9 maps done and i stole 2 Chesterules: heh ralphis sfr6: should i take out player maps? ralphis sfr6: i mean ralphis sfr6: starts Chesterules: hmm.. kinda doubt this is gonna help - but leave in just player starts ralphis sfr6: i already took them out Chesterules: well - might as well get rid of em too ralphis sfr6: add them yourself Chesterules: I can always put em in again Chesterules: yes. Chesterules: :)- ralphis sfr6: sent my dear friend ralphis sfr6: work? Chesterules: hmm Chesterules: nothing at all happens Chesterules: before I was getting error messages Chesterules: but now - just nothing ralphis sfr6: ..... ralphis sfr6: really? ralphis sfr6: ill open it in wintex Chesterules: odditiy at it's pinnacle ralphis sfr6: yea ralphis sfr6: i have never heard of this Chesterules: I'm baffled Chesterules: e4m8.wad - the baffler ralphis sfr6: ... ralphis sfr6: yea ralphis sfr6: thats what we will call it if it is ever fixed ralphis sfr6: and we will write something about it in the text file ralphis sfr6: it opens on my comp ralphis sfr6: you have windows 98? Chesterules: yep ralphis sfr6: hhmm ralphis sfr6: this is baffling Chesterules: my cat is humping my blankets on my bed Chesterules: speaking of baffling... ralphis sfr6: yes? Chesterules: it's a female too - so how does it attempt this? Chesterules: well - all I can say is - she does. ralphis sfr6: ..... ralphis sfr6: i have another conclusion to use ralphis sfr6: i will delete all tags Chesterules: lol Chesterules: just delete the whole level Chesterules: then send it to me ralphis sfr6: ok good ide.....wait a minute Chesterules: lol ralphis sfr6: ARG! ralphis sfr6: why me ralphis sfr6: i spent a good hour on this ralphis sfr6: you know how hard wads are to make ralphis sfr6: and i get this! Chesterules: ahh... we'll get it working... ralphis sfr6: will we? ralphis sfr6: you mean when there is one sector left Chesterules: I'm sure there's a fix without dismantling the level completely ralphis sfr6: ... ralphis sfr6: completely=1 sector ralphis sfr6: ok ralphis sfr6: all tags are gone now Chesterules: try that - save i with just one sector ralphis sfr6: the doors next Chesterules: and see if it'll work ralphis sfr6: ok ralphis sfr6: just for fun? Chesterules: well - who knows! Chesterules: maybe it won't load! Chesterules: so, as I was saying, my cat is humping my bed Chesterules: I'm about to kill it Chesterules: she does this ALL the time ralphis sfr6: haha ralphis sfr6: maybe she is mental Chesterules: mabye.. Chesterules: ya think? Chesterules: freak cat Chesterules: didn't always do this ralphis sfr6: maybe she hit something and got mental Chesterules: If I try touch her when she's doing this - she freaks Chesterules: maybe she just needs a man cat Chesterules: anyway - send it over ralphis sfr6: ok ralphis sfr6: do we still qualify this as a level? Chesterules: how do you mean? Chesterules: I just want to see if the damn thing will load in deep97 ralphis sfr6: well, no tags, no monsters, no traps, no exit Chesterules: so it loaded in deepsea? ralphis sfr6: yea Chesterules: maybe we should paste this post in DW editing forum Chesterules: too frickin' odd. ralphis sfr6: yea Chesterules: I think I'm gonna do that - post it in DW ralphis sfr6: ok ralphis sfr6: tell them to contact me or you Chesterules: k 0 Share this post Link to post
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