Post Your Opinions About Doom (Whether Controversial or Not)

[yakfak]

bring back the ugly maps
everyone's style is so well defined and logical now giggle
show me some random tanrock4 sectors

[roadworx]

8 hours ago, Roofi said:

Misri Halek

 

8 hours ago, Roofi said:

superb map

incorrect

[Scypek2]

3 hours ago, yakfak said:

bring back the ugly maps
everyone's style is so well defined and logical now giggle
show me some random tanrock4 sectors

 

Here you go, all the tan and rock your heart could ever desire

[Spectre01]

15 hours ago, Dunn & Dunn said:

There is tons of platforming in games wherever you go, whether jumping and climbing over obstacles to get to hidden areas, or a little platformer-based flash game. 

 

Why is it a cardinal sin in Doom?

There are multiple reasons people find Doom platforming to be frustrating compared to other (even FPS) games. The slidey movement where your character doesn't come to a full stop quickly, lack of air control, and inability to look up and down in faithful ports to easily align yourself or know when you're about to fall off the edge. A little platforming can be fun, but I'm no fan of the super strict variety requiring high precision.

 

Re: Misri Halek talk above. It's atmospheric and technically impressive for its size/linedef count within vanilla limits, but the gameplay can feel like a real slog. There are a lot of Nobles to SSG down in the opening half until you get better weapons/ammo. The DWMC thread for AV had a good variety of opinions on it, rather than everyone gushing about how it's the greatest map of all time.

Edited March 15, 2021 by Spectre01

[KeaganDunn]

21 minutes ago, Spectre01 said:

There are multiple reasons people find Doom platforming to be frustrating compared to other (even FPS) games. The slidey movement where your character doesn't come to a full stop quickly, lack of air control, and inability to look up and down in faithful ports to easily align yourself or know when you're about to fall off the edge. A little platforming can be fun, but I'm no fan of the super strict variety requiring high precision.

Yeah, I suppose. There's an old Scratch game I played a long time ago that had this similar ice-like movement - I think that's the one that helped me learn moving back on command to avoid sliding off platforms and such. https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/17076654/

 

It's very upsetting how some people can't stand platforming for all the wrong reasons, if you know what I mean. Having a bad mindset about something won't make you better at it.
 

Getting Over It is no exception. I'm working on a video of that one.

Edited March 15, 2021 by Dunn & Dunn

[xX_Lol6_Xx]

Playing in I'm too young to die is fully valid, and so does Hey Not Too Rough, even Hurt Me Plenty, whoever says the opposite should play Sigil and see if he/she changes his/her mind.

 

[sefus]

Classic doom isn't that hard compared to a lot of other shooters out there, but that doesn't make it any less fun.

[jmac]

1 hour ago, Lol 6 said:

Playing in I'm too young to die is fully valid, and so does Hey Not Too Rough, even Hurt Me Plenty, whoever says the opposite should play Sigil and see if he/she changes his/her mind.

 

I thought Sigil was one of the more tame wads out there. This isn't a brag, I get my ass kicked by stuff that's considered moderately difficult, like ancient aliens and btsx, but Sigil never really gave me too much trouble.

[xX_Lol6_Xx]

Just now, jmac said:

I thought Sigil was one of the more tame wads out there. This isn't a brag, I get my ass kicked by stuff that's considered moderately difficult, like ancient aliens and btsx, but Sigil never really gave me too much trouble.

It is a lot harder on UV than in HMP.

[jmac]

4 minutes ago, Lol 6 said:

It is a lot harder on UV than in HMP.

I played it on UV. I think it comes down to play style. I'm not so good at handling hordes of monsters like a lot of players are, but dealing with the awkward fights and tight quarters of Sigil seemed more in line with my skillset.

[xX_Lol6_Xx]

2 minutes ago, jmac said:

I played it on UV. I think it comes down to play style. I'm not so good at handling hordes of monsters like a lot of players are, but dealing with the awkward fights and tight quarters of Sigil seemed more in line with my skillset.

Nice. I usually play on HMP, UV is very hard for me XD, what bugs me is people who say that playing in the lower difficulties is invalid and isn't the legitimate way to play

Edited March 16, 2021 by Lol 6

[KeaganDunn]

11 minutes ago, Lol 6 said:

what bugs me is people who say that playing in the lower difficulties is invalid and isn't the legitimate way to play

Yeah...typical elitist behavior, you'll see that a lot. Just ignore it and play how you want.

Edited March 16, 2021 by Dunn & Dunn

[Orchid87]

Different game, but Duke Nukem 3D Lunar Apocalypse is a better space station themed mapset than Doom E1.

[CasualScrub]

I don't know about anyone else, but after the current Doom storyline/games are done, I kinda want them to take a more... I guess down-to-earth take with Doom for a little while. I mean in the sense that I kinda want them to take a "Doom 3" approach with it, where it was more horror-themed and a little less frantic/fast-paced.

[ReaperAA]

On 3/16/2021 at 10:56 AM, Orchid87 said:

Different game, but Duke Nukem 3D Lunar Apocalypse is a better space station themed mapset than Doom E1.

 

This is true.

 

Not related to Doom, but E2 of Duke3D is very underrated. I still remember the time when I first got to E2M4 and witnessed the alien infested station. And who can forget about E2M8: Dark Side. Easily the best level in Duke3D.

[flatmodule]

On 3/15/2021 at 12:32 PM, Roofi said:

Misri Halek, despite being a superb map, is not that memorable but the music is legendary and remains eternally engraved in the mind at the first listening.

 

I think the cacowards team should do a top 100 most memorable midis used in doom wads. This music would be in the top 10 or even the top 3.

when i first played alien vendetta i thought the community would give more credit to toxic touch than misri halek. misri halek is waaaaay too long. (although i admire and respect it as well)

 

here's my mildly warm take:

the midi 'stars' fits better in speed of doom map31 than in valiant map31

[DisgruntledPorcupine]

First post here so these could be the most milquetoast unpopular opinions ever for all I know. :) 

 

Doom I is my least favourite IWAD. Obviously I respect the hell out of it for paving the road, but the dated mapping style really gets to me and I find it an absolute snooze to play. E2M6 is still a map I love though and the music is overall superior to Doom II's (although I like TNT most out of the IWADs for music).

 

The Chasm is a solid map. Gameplay is pretty decent and visually it's my favourite in Doom II.

 

Bobby Prince's midis can get kind of annoying to listen to for me. He has tracks I love (Sinister, Into Sandy's City, Dark Halls), but I find his overusage of 12 bar blues style melodies (or in general how often he plays out a melody for a few bars and then plays it again but at a slightly higher pitch) kind of irritating to be honest. Even some of my favourites aren't immune to that trope, but it leads to some of his midis that don't have the atmosphere to back it up just sounding kind of uninspired and boring.

[xX_Lol6_Xx]

The plasma rifle is too op

[GraphicBleeder]

Doom Eternal's soundtrack is annoying and grating to listen to.

[ReaperAA]

3 hours ago, flatmodule said:

when i first played alien vendetta i thought the community would give more credit to toxic touch than misri halek. misri halek is waaaaay too long. (although i admire and respect it as well)

 

Exactly. Toxic Touch is a much more fun map

[DisgruntledPorcupine]

+1 for team Toxic Touch. I adore both maps personally but Toxic Touch wins for me in gameplay, is at least on par music-wise, and is one of the most awe-inspiringly gorgeous uses of all vanilla textures I can think of.

[SF.]

Master Levels were not that bad for their time

[Dwimepon]

Okay, there, I'll say it.

 

I prefer the regular shotgun to the SSG. It's just so faster and fun to use - I like to call it a "point-and-click" weapon because it kills pretty much any of the lowest-tier enemies in one hit.

The SSG feels great mind you but the animation, sounds and snappiness of the normal shotgun is just out of this world.

[Azure_Horror]

Lost souls are completely horrible, but pain elementals are pretty cool.

[Vaeros]

I pretend that Doom Eternal never existed.

[D4NUK1]

I loved the arc of the Ancients Gods, levels desing, added monsters and lore.

[Archfiend]

On 2/21/2021 at 3:31 PM, Dubbag said:

The pistol is NOT useless. I love it and use it all the time.

Hahaha, seriously? How do you use it "all the time?" I'm not making fun of you or anything, but this just sounds pretty wild and I can't imagine anyone using the pistol constantly. I mean, we've all had to pistol a caco or two, but all the time?

[Dubbag]

Just now, Archfiend said:

Hahaha, seriously? How do you use it "all the time?" I'm not making fun of you or anything, but this just sounds pretty wild and I can't imagine anyone using the pistol constantly. I mean, we've all had to pistol a caco or two, but all the time?

say you have a situation where you have no chaingun but you have a shot gun and pistol. Ahead of you are 3 shotgunners in the far distance. Taking them out with the shotgun would be impractical. So snipe them with the pistol.

[xX_Lol6_Xx]

On 2/21/2021 at 5:31 PM, Dubbag said:

The pistol is NOT useless. I love it and use it all the time.

I agree, it's a good weapon if you know how and when to use it.

[Archfiend]

3 minutes ago, Dubbag said:

say you have a situation where you have no chaingun but you have a shot gun and pistol. Ahead of you are 3 shotgunners in the far distance. Taking them out with the shotgun would be impractical. So snipe them with the pistol.

Oh, that's a good point. I usually kill them with the shotgun because it's easy and I like how the sound effects mix together. But yeah, for managing ammo, the pistol would be pretty useful, especially because of its pinpoint accuracy when you fire it slower. Then again, shotgunners can also snipe you, and if you waste too much time with the pistol, they could get a few good shots in.