[UPDATED] The DOOM System Upgrade Thread

[RightField]

55 gb is pretty normal for most games these days.

[Deatheye]

but it's not normal to load 55GB when you have the retail version, those 55GB should be on discs

[RightField]

I've almost forgotten physical media even existed. Download is the way to go. Well save for vinyl.

[DOOMGUY_GODMODE]

CheeseOnTheMoon said:

FTFY

i don't know what your talking about a PS4 of XBOX ONE
Have nearly the same power as a Maxed out PC.
The thing about console is buy one never buy anything else again.
just buy your games graphics look good game play nice and thats it.

[ReFracture]

Deatheye said:

but it's not normal to load 55GB when you have the retail version, those 55GB should be on discs

At least they aren't doing what Konami did with MGS5..

They have to make a choice between spending extra money on every single retail copy of the game or losing some customers.

I'm willing to bet the money lost from lost customers is a drop in the bucket compared to what they'd spend on shipping extra DVDs.

Personally, I bought the game digitally. Retail PC games are a complete waste of space to me these days.

DOOMGUY_GODMODE said:

i don't know what your talking about a PS4 of XBOX ONE
Have nearly the same power as a Maxed out PC.
The thing about console is buy one never buy anything else again.
just buy your games graphics look good game play nice and thats it.

If by 'nearly' you mean not even close.. sure.. sure it does.

If your only purpose in a PC orientated thread is to spew nonsense about game consoles could you kindly piss off?

[AD_79]

I really need to get around to installing my second hard drive. The 59 gigs remaining on the one I'm using right now isn't gonna cut it (technically it could, I suppose, but nah).

[Edward850]

DOOMGUY_GODMODE said:

i don't know what your talking about a PS4 of XBOX ONE
Have nearly the same power as a Maxed out PC.

The Xbox One has a Custom 1.75 GHz AMD 8-core APU
The PS4 has a Semi-custom 1.6 GHz AMD 8-core APU
PCs have 3.5-4GHz and 4.7GHz 8 Core CPUs

RAM is too easily eclipsed (16GB is becoming the standard on PCs, 32GB is on the horizon but certainly already available.)

GPUs are too easily out matched simply by stepping up a generation. Notably, both the PS4 and Xbox One have APUs, where PCs still expect and use dedicated GPUs which are still unmatched in performance and VRAM (The 970 has 4GB GDDR5 dedicated, and Pascal is right around the corner).

[Plasma Gun]

Touchdown said:

FINAL SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS:
_______________________________________________________
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Minimum:

Windows 7/8.1/10 (64-bit versions);
Intel Core i5-2400/AMD FX-8320 or better;
8 GB RAM;
55 GB free HDD space;
NVIDIA GTX 670 2GB/AMD Radeon HD 7870 2GB or better

Recommended:

Windows 7/8.1/10 (64-bit versions);
Intel Core i7-3770/AMD FX-8350 or better;
8 GB RAM;
55 GB free HDD space;
NVIDIA GTX 970 4GB/AMD Radeon R9 290 4GB or better
_______________________________________________________
_______________________________________________________



Meanwhile I have ordered this (pre-built) to serve as my primary gaming PC:

i7-6700K 4Ghz
16gb Corsair Vengeance DDR4
MSI GTX 980Ti
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Gigabyte Z170M-D3H
SSD 240Gb
HDD 3Tb
Corsair VS650


Sucks that apparently Nvidia introduces new cards tommorow but I'm not gonna wait for that.

What a great system, nice pick!

[DOOMGUY_GODMODE]

ReFracture said:

At least they aren't doing what Konami did with MGS5..

They have to make a choice between spending extra money on every single retail copy of the game or losing some customers.

I'm willing to bet the money lost from lost customers is a drop in the bucket compared to what they'd spend on shipping extra DVDs.

Personally, I bought the game digitally. Retail PC games are a complete waste of space to me these days.



If by 'nearly' you mean not even close.. sure.. sure it does.

If your only purpose in a PC orientated thread is to spew nonsense about game consoles could you kindly piss off?

no thanks i'm here to stay

[DOOMGUY_GODMODE]

Edward850 said:

The Xbox One has a Custom 1.75 GHz AMD 8-core APU
The PS4 has a Semi-custom 1.6 GHz AMD 8-core APU
PCs have 3.5-4GHz and 4.7GHz 8 Core CPUs

RAM is too easily eclipsed (16GB is becoming the standard on PCs, 32GB is on the horizon but certainly already available.)

GPUs are too easily out matched simply by stepping up a generation. Notably, both the PS4 and Xbox One have APUs, where PCs still expect and use dedicated GPUs which are still unmatched in performance and VRAM (The 970 has 4GB GDDR5 dedicated, and Pascal is right around the corner).

all i'm saying is that PS4 or XO can play a game just fine no need for new parts or anything just play and they look good.

[Touchdown]

Plasma Gun said:

What a great system, nice pick!

Thanks! I hope it'll be worth it as I've exceeded my budget by a fair amount. I just assumed that since I'm already dumping a ton of cash into a PC I might as well get the best I can afford.

[Shaviro]

Touchdown said:

FINAL SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS:
_______________________________________________________
_______________________________________________________
Recommended:

Windows 7/8.1/10 (64-bit versions);
Intel Core i7-3770/AMD FX-8350 or better;
8 GB RAM;
55 GB free HDD space;
NVIDIA GTX 970 4GB/AMD Radeon R9 290 4GB or better
_______________________________________________________
_______________________________________________________

Windows 10, check!
Intel Core i7-3770k, check!
32 GB RAM, check!
Space, check!
2x GTX 680 4GB <-- The jury is still out on that one. If SLI works properly at launch then check!

[DoomUK]

DOOMGUY_GODMODE said:

all i'm saying is that PS4 or XO can play a game just fine no need for new parts or anything just play and they look good.

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/wiki/guide

Touchdown said:

Recommended:

Windows 7/8.1/10 (64-bit versions);
Intel Core i7-3770/AMD FX-8350 or better;
8 GB RAM;
55 GB free HDD space;
NVIDIA GTX 970 4GB/AMD Radeon R9 290 4GB or better

Yep.
Yep.
Yep.
Yep.
Yep.

One week! :D

Shaviro said:

2x GTX 680 4GB <-- The jury is still out on that one. If SLI works properly at launch then check!

The 680 is rather long in the tooth, but it's still a good card AFAIK. Even if SLI doesn't work you should at least be able to enjoy the game.

[pro_zealot]

Today premiere will have GeForce 1080 GTX. So i suggest to buy this new card becouse its on new architecture (Pascal) and future drivers will really support only the new card.

[DOOMGUY_GODMODE]

like i said console and yes i have played pc.

[Moon Marin]

pro_zealot said:

Today premiere will have GeForce 1080 GTX. So i suggest to buy this new card becouse its on new architecture (Pascal) and future drivers will really support only the new card.

rushing out to buy the new 600 dollar card is bad advice, especially since this is a doom thread and neither of those cards are required to play the game when current tech is much cheaper and does the job more than fine.

[pro_zealot]

It depends what you wanna play maxed out 60fps game or just run game on low setings and low framerate.

[tuo]

pro_zealot said:

It depends what you wanna play maxed out 60fps game or just run game on low setings and low framerate.

Have you red the system requirements?
A 1080 might be usefull regarding 4k, but you make it sound like without one, we are restricted to run the game a medium settings with 30fps.

The system requirements to run it at high quality suggest a 970, so I guess with a 980, 980ti or 970 in SLI we will already get high or even max quality at 1080p with 60fps. The engine looks to be very optimized.

The release of the 1080 will make the then-last-gen 9x0 cards drop in price, and they should be enough if someone is just looking for a card that runs Doom on high settings, maybe even max settings.

[Deatheye]

pro_zealot said:

Today premiere will have GeForce 1080 GTX. So i suggest to buy this new card becouse its on new architecture (Pascal) and future drivers will really support only the new card.

no, I recommend people to NOT do that - I rather recommend them to buy 9xx cards because they'll get cheaper

[tuo]

Deatheye said:

no, I recommend people to NOT do that - I rather recommend them to buy 9xx cards because they'll get cheaper

Yeah, should give more bang for the buck when the 1080 drops.
I have played the beta on a Geforce Titan (the first generation Titan, which is quite slower than a 980), and it was smooth as butter (allthough that obviously was either low or medium settings).

Since the announcement of the 1080, I picked up another EVGA 980 SC, because shops over here began dumping them, since I had another one here in a PC I planned to rip apart anyway, and just built a new rig for VR and 4K gaming, and the 980 SC in SLI is currently more than enough to get very good framerates in basically everything, and I am quite sure they will also be enough to play Doom 2016 in 4K, maybe even in 60 FPS (depending on how good the SLI implementation is).

The best bang for the buck seems to be the 970 anyway, especially in SLI.

Then again: I am not up to date with AMD/ATI, turned my back to them couple of years ago due to the quality (or lack thereof) of their drivers. I heard they bounced back and are delivering some very good GPUs with solid drivers lately.

[Plasma Gun]

Deatheye said:

no, I recommend people to NOT do that - I rather recommend them to buy 9xx cards because they'll get cheaper

Unlikely unless you're buying used. Probably will see the 970/980/980 Ti just go EOL.

[Vorpal]

Plasma Gun said:

Unlikely unless you're buying used. Probably will see the 970/980/980 Ti just go EOL.

Mm, when I was shopping earlier in the year, AMD had nothing competing with the 970/980 for price or performance. And with most customers buying discrete GPUs in the $200-400 range, the 970/980 is going to continue to be their cash cow I would expect. So until AMD catches up in performance at that price tier, there's little reason to adjust GTX prices.

There are some great buys from AMD in the sub $250 range though, the R9 290 or 380 for instance, and I see them go on sale a lot (whereas GTX almost never go on sale, at least the vendors I look at).

[Touchdown]

Well, that didn't last long. I won't be picking up the rig that I mentioned before. With the announcement of GTX 1080 at $600 and 1070 at $380 and coming out so soon there's no reason at all to buy 980Ti right now. That means I won't play DOOM4 on May 13th. :/ But it'd be a waste of money at this point.

[DoomUK]

Touchdown said:

Well, that didn't last long. I won't be picking up the rig that I mentioned before. With the announcement of GTX 1080 at $600 and 1070 at $380 and coming out so soon there's no reason at all to buy 980Ti right now. That means I won't play DOOM4 on May 13th. :/ But it'd be a waste of money at this point.

Wise. You could build it anyway though, sans graphics card. When the 10xx cards hit the stores in a few weeks, you'll have a lot less building to do before you sit down with Doom. That would be my logic anyway, haha.

[Touchdown]

There's no rush because it'll be my second PC. But I might just assemble it myself instead of buying a pre-built one.

Speaking of which, I have two questions. Firstly, motherboard. What should I consider when choosing one? I don't care for overclocking, SLI and such. Secondly, is it worth going for a full SSD build for gaming?

[Archvile Hunter]

I feel cheated on my GTX 970 purchase now XD.

It's not really that big a deal though. The 970 will last a couple of years, I suppose, and by then there will probably be a GTX 11xx series or whatever.

[DoomUK]

Touchdown said:

motherboard. What should I consider when choosing one? I don't care for overclocking, SLI and such.

Make sure it's the right CPU socket for your CPU, and whether you have DDR3 or DDR4 RAM. If you want lots of spare slots for extra RAM, drives and cards, go with the ATX form factor. If you can live with less of these things, Micro-ATX or even Mini-ATX will suffice, though Mini-ATX might be too restrictive even if you don't foresee yourself upgrading. You can safely avoid any kind of '1337 extr3me edition' motherboards, they have a bunch of extra bells and whistles that you probably won't need. I've had good experiences with Asus and MSI boards, for what that's worth.

Secondly, is it worth going for a full SSD build for gaming?

I'd say no. An SSD is great to have as a boot drive, but it's not a necessity for gaming. With an SSD you can shave a few seconds off map load times, depending on the game. It won't make any difference to your framerates. Of course if that's enough incentive for you to go full SSD, then knock yourself out.

[TheBloodbanshee]

This is my first build (Made for Doom, less than $1000 for budget)
I can use some pointers!

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 3.5g Thermal Paste ($5.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock H97 Anniversary ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($69.88 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($58.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Western Digital BLACK SERIES 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($72.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB Superclocked ACX 2.0 Video Card ($304.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower Case ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD/CD Writer ($17.88 @ OutletPC)
Case Fan: Cooler Master R4-S4S-10AK-GP 60.9 CFM 140mm Fan ($6.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $937.47
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-05-09 18:30 EDT-0400

Anything I can get that's cheaper and will serve me the same as what I have here?

[ReFracture]

This won't really save you any money, it comes out to about the same.. but I really think there's no point building anything other than a Skylake system. You'll get some marginally improved performance for the same cost. You'll also have an upgrade path if you want a 6700k later or something along with being on DDR4.

You can probably find some of these parts in other places cheaper.

$204 for CPU Intel Boxed Core I5-6500
http://www.amazon.com/Intel-I5-6500-FC-LGA14C-Processor-BX80662I56500/dp/B010T6CWI2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1462834192&sr=8-1&keywords=i5+skylake

$73 for mobo ASRock H170A-X1 L
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157682&cm_re=lga_1151-_-13-157-682-_-Product

$59 for memory G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231884&cm_re=ddr4-_-20-231-884-_-Product

Also I'd recommend trying to squeeze an SSD in the build somewhere. Even if it's just a 128gb for your OS and any frequent games you play it will make a world of difference. Mechanical drives are just.. slow.

Furthermore Pascal just got announced. June 10th is when the GTX 1070 is launching. It will be significantly more powerful than that 970, though I understand if you don't want to wait for that.

That said, as configured, that system is going to play Doom very well.

[tkrr]

Based on my experiences with the closed & open beta I can honestly not recommend getting a new NVIDIA card especially for running doom before seeing some updated benchmarks.

VRworlds Benchmark results shows NVIDIA hardware performed terribly in the alpha, even a R9 290 beats the GTX980 Ti:
http://vrworld.com/2016/02/29/doom-alpha-benchmark-amd-dominates-over-nvidia/

I can confirm sluggish performance on my (older) NVIDIA hardware, my GTX 780Ti couldn´t keep steady 60 fps @ 1080 even with default low settings forced in the alpha/beta, an overclocked GTX 670 struggled with 720 resolution.

The GTX 1080 vulkan numbers ofcourse look more impressive, but there´s not much information about when the implementation will be available and how much older generation cards benefit from it.

I´m confident NVIDIA will have more optimized drivers available on release, but them not having better drivers available for the 3rd closed alpha & open beta releases worries me a bit.