Revenant Jetpack malfunction animation removed from Doom 2016 since E3 Demo?

[Obzen]

It seems to me that they might have just replaced the heywire jetpack with the whole "disabled jetpack" mechanic instead. If you notice, when they disable the jetpack in the recent gameplay footage, it's almost the same animation in the beginning as the original E3 footage. This could just be for gameplay reasons. Like, maybe they felt this would make fights more dynamic? I wish we could have both, to be honest. What they could have done, for example, is have a small chance of the malfunctioning jetpack death animation to happen instead of just disabling it.

I guess, you know, it could still be like this and the chance of it happening is so low that we just never had a chance to see it during any of the recent gameplay streams.

[RaikohZX]

If it's still legitimately there then I imagine it'd be disabling the jetpack on a killing shot.

[id.dav]

Instead of worring about some death animations...you'd better talk about the total absence of homing missiles wich were always revenant's feature and that's why he was dangerous! Now he isn't....in fact he is pathetic.
BTW! Yes the death animation is still there!

[snapshot]

^ This makes it console friendly, Oh wait .

[id.dav]

DMGUYDZ64 said:

^ This makes it console friendly, Oh wait .

Yeah....but classic doom and doom 3 are on consoles and there was no problems with revenants homing rockets there...but now for some fucking retarted reason they decided to remove it.

[DooM_RO]

I don't really care, as long as the game is fun. Plus, he can still be dangerous.

[snapshot]

But it wouldn't be challenging .

[Edward850]

id.dav said:

Instead of worring about some death animations...you'd better talk about the total absence of homing missiles wich were always revenant's feature and that's why he was dangerous! Now he isn't....in fact he is pathetic.

id.dav said:

Yeah....but classic doom and doom 3 are on consoles and there was no problems with revenants homing rockets there...but now for some fucking retarted reason they decided to remove it.

Who says they removed it? Other than you of course. Did you program the Revenant? Can you tell us with an absolute certainty what it can and can't do? If there's no homing rockets, what do the laser-sights do? Does it even need them? Perhaps its missiles work differently from the start and homing would have been redundant.

These questions and more you could not possibly answer without jumping to baseless conclusions to compensate for you salt.

[Deleted_Account]

No homing Revenant missiles?! The game is ruined, good thing I didn't pre-order Doom.

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id.dav said:

Instead of worring about some death animations...you'd better talk about the total absence of homing missiles wich were always revenant's feature and that's why he was dangerous! Now he isn't....in fact he is pathetic....of cource it was another appeal to an average gamepad moron.
BTW! Yes the death animation is still there!

Way to be a dismissive asshole.

I thought that here we were, together as a community, looking at something that was cool from E3 and seeing whether that was still in the game.

Sharing links and videos with timestamps and in general having fun together and actually figuring out that it is, most probably, still in the game. (yay)

Maybe just leave it at that and stop with this dismissive bullcrap.

"you'd better talk about"

Fucking really?

PS
I am under the impression that the "Chaingunners" alt fire is actually a homing projectile.

[id.dav]

DooM_RO said:

I don't really care, as long as the game is fun. Plus, he can still be dangerous.

Can still be? IT IS REVENANT we are talking about. IT MUST be dangerous! The whole idea of that enemie is to create hard to avoid missiles....that is the point! I can understand they didn't make arch vile ressurect bodies from a tech point. But to make a fucking homing missile is a problem? NO!

[id.dav]

Edward850 said:

Who says they removed it? Other than you of course. Did you program the Revenant? Can you tell us with an absolute certainty what it can and can't do? If there's no homing rockets, what do the laser-sights do?

Show me where? I watched both streams several times! No homing rockets detected at all!

[Edward850]

Okay and? How does that answer my question? Again I ask: Did you program the Revenant? Can you tell us with an absolute certainty what it can and can't do? If there's no homing rockets, what do the laser-sights do? Does it even need them? Perhaps its missiles work differently from the start and homing would have been redundant.

[id.dav]

Edward850 said:

Okay and? How does that answer my question? Again I ask: Did you program the Revenant? Can you tell us with an absolute certainty what it can and can't do? If there's no homing rockets, what do the laser-sights do? Does it even need them? Perhaps its missiles work differently from the start and homing would have been redundant.

Look at both streams carefully and tell me where revenant make any singnificant hit with a missle? Most of the time it just flyes by cos it is easy to strafe. I don't know what lasers do, but it sure as hell do not create any type of hard to avoid missile attack.

[Edward850]

You continue to not answer my questions, instead perpetuating the same assumptions as some kind of fact.

[TheWizard]

Technician said:

Frankly I don't see how this piece of animation could realistically be implemented.

Really not that difficult. It's just a rag doll being spun around at a somewhat random speed and direction then launched after a certain amount of time, when it collides with the world he blows up.

Imagine picking an object up with a gravity gun and in HL2, jerk it around and then quickly flick the mouse and let go, similar effect.

id.dav said:

Can still be? IT IS REVENANT we are talking about. IT MUST be dangerous! The whole idea of that enemie is to create hard to avoid missiles....that is the point! I can understand they didn't make arch vile ressurect bodies from a tech point. But to make a fucking homing missile is a problem? NO!

You're completely ignoring the fact that revemants move way fucking faster now.

[RaikohZX]

I love how the Revenant has to have the homing missiles to be 'challenging', despite the fact that most people I know call their homing rockets (and their unpredictability in when they'll be fired) to be absolute bullshit.

Don't stress about it, id.dav, and don't shit on the whole topic for one thing.

[id.dav]

Edward850 said:

You continue to not answer my questions, instead perpetuating the same assumptions.

What assumptoon for fuck sake! Look at the fucking stream - that is your fucking answer!

[Edward850]

A stream of vertical-slice flyby gameplay footage hardly counts as an answer, especially when the player is constantly trying to stay out of sight/range and dispatching them quickly.

See that's the magic of video, I can watch it 20 times and it's still going to be the same video. The Revenant will always do the same thing, and thus cannot be interacted with and properly analyzed. Which means all you can do is assume.

[snapshot]

Wow, chill dude, it's just a revenant missele .

[TheWizard]

id.dav said:

What assumptoon for fuck sake! Look at the fucking stream - that is your fucking answer!

I edited my post above, you should consider it when you're going to go on about the lack of homing missiles.

[id.dav]

RikohZX said:

I love how the Revenant has to have the homing missiles to be 'challenging', despite the fact that most people I know call their homing rockets (and their unpredictability in when they'll be fired) to be absolute bullshit.

Don't stress about it, id.dav, and don't shit on the whole topic for one thing.

Cos I don't want to start another topic....and I don't shit on this topic. WE already figured out that the E3 death animation is THERE! I just wanted to add another valid issue realted to revenant and instead I was atacked by some of doom community. Real fan community would've have been disscussing this issue already, but NO NO NO don't fucking dare to find any flaws in our beloved game!

[Koko Ricky]

You're painting the entire community as having one particular perspective and that's objectively, verifiably false.

[Edward850]

id.dav said:

Cos I don't want to start another topic....and I don't shit on this topic. WE already figured out that the E3 death animation is THERE! I just wanted to add another valid issue realted to revenant and instead I was atacked by so called doom community. If this would be a real fan community this issue would've have been disscussed already, but NO NO NO don't fucking dare to find any flaws in our beloved game!

You also don't seem to understand the difference between discussing flaws and saying "this thing is the next hitler because I didn't see it do this one incidental task" without thinking that either the footage doesn't demonstrate it or is even relevant to its new design. You just want something to yell it because if you're not having fun, nobody else is allowed to either. Your precious Radiant map editor that you're not receiving day 0 must be avenged!

[redrage]

id.dav said:

Cos I don't want to start another topic....and I don't shit on this topic. WE already figured out that the E3 death animation is THERE! I just wanted to add another valid issue realted to revenant and instead I was atacked by so called doom community. If this would be a real fan community this issue would've have been disscussed already, but NO NO NO don't fucking dare to find any flaws in our beloved game, cos we are fanboys!

You are really going to pull that card...

You believe that if you wrote it down like for example this:

"Does anyone else notice he does not fire homing missiles anymore? I kind of miss that because I feel its a defining feature of our beloved revenant. I am also worried that, with the current scatter fire, he is a bit on the easy side. What do you think?"

Instead of:

"Instead of worring about some death animations...you'd better talk about the total absence of homing missiles..."

The outcome would have been the exact same? You really think this is something that you did not cause? Are you honestly that deluded?

I do not hold the community here in high regard when it comes to being open to criticism. But it has nothing to do with what is happening in this thread.

[Almonds]

you guys are really blowing this shitshow out of proportions.

[snapshot]

Common case of members acting like Moderators or something .

[redrage]

Almonds said:

you guys are really blowing this shitshow out of proportions.

You are right. I'm done responding.

[DooM_RO]

Almonds said:

you guys are really blowing this shitshow out of proportions.

Yeah, it's starting to sound like the Steam forums.

[watstha]

So, uh... which one of the new demons is your favorite guys?