Already moved on

[Voros]

I was thinking something.
Some of you aren't satisfied with Doom 2016 after finishing it. Fine, I know how that feels.
And you guys thought SnapMap might have made it better.
Initially, it was fun for you guys, but seems like it doesn't satisfy you completely now.
So a wider range of modding is what you want, something that can create something beyond Doom 2016.

But what about Doom 64? It has no mod support(and making maps for 64 EX isn't as easy as Doom). It doesn't have a hi-res, hi-tech engine like the id Tech 6. And yet, you love to play it again and again. So what exactly was in Doom 64 that you think is missing in Doom 2016?(I'm addressing to those who have moved on)

[snapshot]

Tbh i didn't like Doom64 that much either till Doom64EX was released, Hehe .

[DoomUK]

To be fair, Doom 64 is probably the least popular classic Doom game. In fact, some people don't even consider it a real Doom game. I vehemently disagree with them, but that's just like my opinion.

[Linguica]

DoomUK said:

Doom 64 is probably the least popular classic Doom game. In fact, some people don't even consider it a real Doom game.

Well, it's not, soooo

[40oz]

I read once that doom64 was originally titled "The Absolution" but the references to doom would have been lost on most people.

[BluePineapple72]

40oz said:

I read once that doom64 was originally titled "The Absolution"

Now I'm excited for The Ultimatum Doom

[JohnnyTheWolf]

Edward850 said:

I fail to see how you can judge gameplay in a demonstrably gameplay focused game if you don't actually play the game. That's like saying you think chess is boring because you watched two people stare at a board for half an hour.

And that is why I am *not* judging the gameplay; if anything, I think it actually looks fun! It is everything else I have a problem with...

But once again, if you are so convinced that playing the game is magically going to get me to enjoy the boring story, the unlikeable characters, the cringe-inducing soundtrack, the forgettable graphics or the uninspired weapon and monster designs, then feel free to buy the game for me - because I am definitely not paying full price for what I have seen of the game so far.

And being a chess player myself, I do believe watching other people play the game is more than enough to decide whether you would enjoy playing chess or not.

Voros said:

But what about Doom 64? It has no mod support(and making maps for 64 EX isn't as easy as Doom). It doesn't have a hi-res, hi-tech engine like the id Tech 6.

It is also available for free, it does not take a powerful computer to run nor around 50 GB of hard drive disk space, I may not like the monster redesigns very much but I do like the subtle yet haunting ambient soundtrack, the dark atmosphere as well as most weapon designs.

mistercow said:

lets apply this logic to the original doom

"wow this looks like dog shit, you can't look up you can't look down, all the monsters are 2d. I haven't played it yet so I dont know what the weapon feed back is like but I got the nonexistent story and visuals down so I think I'm good enough to judge the game."

This is what you sound like

No, this is a complete strawman.

Watching other people play Classic Doom is what made me want to play the game in the first place: not only did the gameplay look fun, but the graphics were nice for the time, the music was catchy, the monster designs were memorable, the weapons... not so much but thankfully that is what mods are for.

Also, unlike Doom 2016, Classic Doom came with a 9-level shareware episode that allows the player to give the game a try - for free!

[snapshot]

This discussion is for people who "Actually" played the game, You didn't, Watching gameplays won't change that fact, Now leave this discussion, And stop kissing ass begging for a Doom copy .

[Azuruish]

Judging gameplay just by watching videos it's like judging a 3D Helmet just by videos. You didn't got real experience of that game and your opinion is fake in this case.
I still didn't played it and i can't judge that game. I see this game as Singularity or Painkiller... These games are fun and sometimes i get back to them to play it again to recall these old feelings again.
Same thing about New Doom. You will take a rest... maybe 1-2-3 month or year and will come back to kill some bastards again.
Impossibility to modding kills that game faster. Yep. But not everyone cares about modding.

[JohnnyTheWolf]

Azuruish said:

Judging gameplay just by watching videos it's like judging a 3D Helmet just by videos. You didn't got real experience of that game and your opinion is fake in this case.

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Impossibility to modding kills that game faster. Yep. But not everyone cares about modding.

For fuck's sake, this is just a Doom game, not a VR experiment.

I do need to "experience" the game in order to judge the soundtrack, the environments, the enemy and weapon models, the story scenes and the lore. The only thing that more or less requires me to play the game is the gameplay and, from what I have seen, I do not really have much problem with it aside from maybe its lack of originality.

And no modding in a Doom game sounds like a pretty big negative.

DMGUYDZ64 said:

And stop kissing ass begging for a Doom copy.

So far, it seems I am less "kissing ass" and more "hurting butt". ;)

Also, I am not "begging" anyone for a Doom copy. All I am saying here is that if you are going to guilt me into playing the game, you might as well just buy it for me...

[snapshot]

Metal Soundtrack is terrible, Weapons that existed since 1993 are forgettable, yeah right ..

[Azuruish]

JohnnyTheWolf said:

For fuck's sake, this is just a Doom game, not a VR experiment.

I do need to "experience" the game in order to listen to the soundtrack on Youtube and think it is terrible. I also do not need to play the game to be think the beastiary and the weapons look rather forgettable.

How pathetic. I love such experts.

[Edward850]

But what about Doom 64?

JohnnyTheWolf said:

It is also available for free

[JohnnyTheWolf]

DMGUYDZ64 said:

Metal Soundtrack is terrible, Weapons that existed since 1993 are forgettable, yeah right ..

I do not recall Classic Doom featuring such weapons as an Energy Pistol with unlimited ammo, a Heavy Assault Rifle or even a Railgun that seems taken straight from Halo... And yes, I despise Doom 2016's soundtrack: it is just a bunch of grating noises that tries too hard to sound edgy.

[snapshot]

Railgun is a Quake thing not Halo, and Pistol is advanced because ... Naturally this is supposed to be a futuristic games, You're just giving flawed arguments, Also you're confusing alpha music with Final music .

[MusicallyInspired]

JohnnyTheWolf said:

I do need to "experience" the game in order to judge the soundtrack, the environments, the enemy and weapon models, the story scenes and the lore. The only thing that more or less requires me to play the game is the gameplay and, from what I have seen, I do not really have much problem with it aside from maybe its lack of originality.

You have absolutely no firsthand experience of how fun or satisfying it actually is to do it yourself. You just cannot get that from watching a video or even from somebody else telling you what it's like. Your problem is you insist that the other aspects you mentioned are somehow more important.

JohnnyTheWolf said:

And yes, I despise Doom 2016's soundtrack: it is just a bunch of grating noises that tries too hard to sound edgy.

You must have listened to a completely different soundtrack than I did. Maybe Quake 1's.

[JohnnyTheWolf]

Doom 2016's Gauss Cannon is nothing like Quake II's Railgun and its design does look very similar to what you would expect from a Halo game.

The Energy Pistol was not present in the original game. Also, it seems to behave pretty much like the Blaster from Quake IV, which I dislike.

Finally, the music I am talking about *is* in the final game.

[snapshot]

JohnnyTheWolf said:

Doom 2016's Gauss Cannon is nothing like Quake II's Railgun and its design does look very similar to what you would expect from a Halo game.

The Energy Pistol was not present in the original game. Also, it seems to behave pretty much like the Blaster from Quake IV, which I dislike.

Finally, the music I am talking about *is* in the final game.

Call Halo a Quake Ripoff then ;), You wouldn't know it for real until you give it a chance but you just seem to insist that "Doom is bad because i saw it on a video", And i can't find what you described about Doom Music in any of it's songs .

Also just because Energy pistol isn't present in the Original game doesn't mean it shouldn't be in the new game, If you want something old, you still have it ,That's my last say on this matter .

[JohnnyTheWolf]

MusicallyInspired said:

Your problem is you insist that the other aspects you mentioned are somehow more important.

Because together they are. If the only thing that interests me in an AAA title is its decent gameplay, then I might as well just stick to Brutal Doom.

You must have listened to a completely different soundtrack than I did. Maybe Quake 1's.

Unlike Doom 2016, Quake 1 has a mostly atmospheric soundtrack; I would rather listen to that, actually.

DMGUYDZ64 said:

Call Halo a Quake Ripoff then ;)

I am starting to believe neither of you have played Quake, let alone know anything about it.

If so, then Google is your friend. That is how I came to know more about a game I have not played than someone like you who acts as if he had. ;)

[snapshot]

JohnnyTheWolf said:

Unlike Doom 2016, Quake 1 has a mostly atmospheric soundtrack; I would rather listen to that, actually.

Haha, I get it, you're one of those who didn't get Strafe and rocket jumping in the New Doom because they thought it's Quake .

Doom is a different thing, it's not focused on "Atmosphere" mostly because it tries to go with a different approach, It encourages players to get in battles rather than taking cover and "Get spooked" because the music sounds scary .

Now i'm not saying Quake is bad, But Doom is not Quake, If you don't like it, Feel free to not buy it .

JohnnyTheWolf said:

I am starting to believe neither of you have played Quake, let alone know anything about it.

We had, We didn't watch gameplays ;) .

[JohnnyTheWolf]

DMGUYDZ64 said:

We had, We didn't watch gameplays ;) .

No, you did not.

Otherwise, you would have known that the Railgun was only introduced in Quake II and that Quake games tend to play very much like Doom anyway.

Google is your friend here: after all, that is how I came to be more knowledgeable about a game I have yet to play than someone who supposedly already has. ;)

[snapshot]

JohnnyTheWolf said:

No, you did not.

I Didn't ?

JohnnyTheWolf said:

Otherwise, you would have known the Railgun was only introduced in Quake II and that Quake plays very much like Doom.

When i said railgun i meant Quake 2 and the quakes that came after, Also Strafe and rocket jumping weren't things in Doom and those are mostly what Quake is known for, Stop making execuses and going too off-topic .

[Use]

MusicallyInspired said:

You have absolutely no firsthand experience of how fun or satisfying it actually is to do it yourself. You just cannot get that from watching a video or even from somebody else telling you what it's like. Your problem is you insist that the other aspects you mentioned are somehow more important.

Maybe one of us should record of video pointing out how puerile judging a game based on videos really is, then he might get it.

[Deatheye]

JohnnyTheWolf said:

I might as well just stick to Brutal Doom.

yes please, go and play your brutal doom, which has almost nothing in common with original doom and go away - we got your point, you hate everything new even the soundtrack which is really fitting into the game but how could you know you haven't even played it, you are super edgy and cool and a very special snowflake out there and your presence is an enrichment for all of us here

[snapshot]

JohnnyTheWolf said:

Otherwise, you would have known the Railgun was only introduced in Quake II and that Quake plays very much like Doom.

Besides, Quake 2 came before Halo and introduced Railgun before Halo did, so you sir are wrong .

[DoomzRules]

Otus said:

You are a lucky guy then ;)
I wish i could play it again for the first time.

I dont have the time to play as long as in my early years. But when i have a hour i play the new doom and it makes as much fun as it was on release. It seems that a lot (not all!) gamers stop playing after the last achievement, unlock etc. As i started gaming i played the crap out of games like Turricane, Katakis, X-out, Super Contra and of course Doom. If a game makes fun then this should be enough to call it replay value.

But as mentioned before, this isn´t just a gaming issue. People got spammed with so much shit every day. Even the biggest news are just a dry fart after a few days.

Yeah I suppose so. I play a ton of Classic Doom on a regular basis, so I really hope that the new Doom has an intense wow-factor.

I've seen a lot of gameplay, but maybe I just need to play it to believe it. =)

[Almonds]

princetontiger said:

Look at Twitch. No one is playing the latest doom game. Most have moved on.

what makes you think people give two fucks about whether people are playing it for a community of casual youtube-comment-section-tier people to see?

also if anything, people are even LESS interested in seeing old doom playthroughs as of late from what I've been seeing.

[Tritnew]

My favorite go-to image when threads get salty.

[JohnnyTheWolf]

Deatheye said:

we got your point

No, you did not.

You just seem super butthurt that I talk about Doom 2016 being kind of bland and forgettable in a thread that is about how Doom 2016 is kind of bland and forgettable. Incidentally, you are the one trying to sound super edgy and cool with your 4chan buzzwords.

Besides, Quake 2 came before Halo and introduced Railgun before Halo did, so you sir are wrong.

Quake II Railgun looks nothing like Halo 4's Railgun, but Doom 2016's Gauss Cannon definitely looks like it could be part of Master Chief's arsenal.

It looks bland: that is my point.

You need to stop going off-topic by making excuses for Doom 2016's blandness.

[snapshot]

JohnnyTheWolf said:

You need to stop going off-topic by making excuses for Doom 2016's blandness.

Wow, i'm going off topic now ? you're going off topic, you brought Quake up, not me, Fuck off .