Gez Posted December 18, 2016 It'd be very interesting to have the Saturn Hexen source code. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post
Mattfrie1 Posted December 19, 2016 Danfun64 said:So...what engine does the N64 version use? The N64 port uses the retail PC version as a base engine. The IWAD is located at 0X7A34FC in the NTSC-U version of the game, and at 0X7B6D64 in the Japanese version. I've tried to look into contacting the programmers behind the Saturn port, and sadly none of them appear to be active online. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post
Mattfrie1 Posted December 29, 2016 So after playing the Sega Saturn port a little bit more, I noticed one more interesting bit of behavior about the fly. Much like the PSX port, the fly finally "lands" after a certain period of activity. However, the curious thing is that the design of the room differs between the PSX and Saturn versions, thus changing where the fly lands. The Saturn port's room is designed just like the regular PC version with two rows of three thin pillars in the rear portion of the room across from the exit portal door. The PSX port however only includes two wider pillars on both sides instead. Whereas the fly lands on the corner of the pillar on the PSX port (likely a glitch), it simply lands on the ground in front of one of the pillars in the Saturn port. I find the changes in level architecture between these two ports to be very fascinating, considering that these two ports were being worked on at the same time. Most of the time, the Saturn version appears to feature several minor differences to make the levels more like their PC versions, yet still retains some of the changes that are seen in the PSX levels as well creating an odd hybrid. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post
Avoozl Posted December 30, 2016 Arctangent said:Honestly, I'm more surprised that the PC version doesn't have that. Seems like it'd be simple enough to implement that serves the same purpose as like the rats from Strife.The PC version would've likely been made before the console versions, sometimes console versions get added extras. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post
Randy87 Posted January 1, 2017 Here is my limited analysis of the fly from the DOS Hexen Beta. MT_FLY - C7030h doomednum = 112 spawnstate = 2301 spawnhealth = 1000 seestate = 0 seesound = 0 reactiontime = 8 attacksound = 0 painstate = 0 painchance = 0 painsound = 0 meleestate = 0 missilestate = 0 crashstate = 0 deathstate = 0 xdeathstate = 0 deathsound = 0 speed = 6 radius = 5 height = 5 mass = 2 damage = 0 activesound = 198 (FlyBuzz) flags = 1552 (MF_NOBLOCKMAP | MF_NOGRAVITY | MF_DROPOFF) flags2 = 4096 (MF2_PASSMOBJ) state table begins at: ABF5Ch state 2301 begins at: BBB08h State Sprite Frame Tics Action NextState Misc1 Misc2 2301: 276 0 20 45184 2301 0 0 2302: 276 0 3 45376 2303 0 0 2303: 276 1 3 45376 2304 0 0 2304: 276 2 3 45376 2305 0 0 2305: 276 3 3 45376 2302 0 0 Action 45184 = offset: 532D4h, rva: 1B080h Action 45376 = offset: 53394h, rva: 1B140h Frame 2301 - Idle Function - Repeat once every 20 tics Randomly pick a "thinker" on the map. (things, lights, platforms, doors, etc...) Make sure it is a thing. Make sure it is a corpse. Make sure it is not already fly's target. (Fly doesn't rebuzz previous target) Make sure it can be seen. If a check fails, try the next "thinker" in order immediately after that check. Only 100 things may be sight checked this tic. If all checks pass, set that thing as fly's target and become active. If checks fail for all "thinkers" or sight check limit is hit, remain idle. Frames 2302-2305 - Active Function - Repeat once every 3 tics Make sure fly has a target. Make sure target is a corpse. Get a random number. If it is < 5, become idle. Look at target. Try to move towards target. Gain random x and y momentum. Gain random z momentum based on height of target. Tries to stay level? Randomly make or do not make a buzzing sound. If all checks pass, remain active. If a check fails, become idle. The fly has no seestate and doesn't use the standard monster AI. Need 2+ corpses to keep continuous activity. (Fly doesn't rebuzz previous target) Extremely erratic movement may cause fly to move out of sight range of corpses. Fly does not lose momentum when becoming idle. (Floats away/up in straight line) 0 Quote Share this post Link to post
betabox Posted January 1, 2017 Avoozl said:The PC version would've likely been made before the console versions, sometimes console versions get added extras. In this case, since the ports are likely based on an earlier PC build, it's more like they retained some unique features rather than anything was added to them. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post
Randy87 Posted January 2, 2017 I have reversed the fly's actions and re-implemented it in Chocolate-Hexen. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post
Mattfrie1 Posted January 2, 2017 Great work Randy! It's crazy to see how they put so much work into coding the fly's behavior just to remove it from the final version. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post
Randy87 Posted January 2, 2017 Something else to note. GZDoom and GZDoomBuilder support the fly. The fly's behavior appears to be broken, but looks relatively easy to fix. This suggests that at some point, someone else tried to reverse engineer the fly from the beta or Hexen 1.0? I see no code references to the fly in the released source. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post
Randy87 Posted January 3, 2017 Here's a package with the source, notes, test win32 build, and test map. HexenBetaFly.7z 0 Quote Share this post Link to post
Erick194 Posted November 9, 2023 @Mattfrie1 I've been reading this thread because I'm working on a data extraction tool for the N64 version of the game. However, I must first mention that the Hexen PSX version uses the same rendering method as the Doom PSX version, but it improves the code a bit to prevent stretching and deformation of wall textures. Now, regarding the N64 version, I have a curiosity about the Japanese version of the game. Does the game freeze on map 25? There's a graphic in this version that gets decompressed incorrectly, causing the game to crash. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post
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