DOOM 2016 wins multiple VGA awards, also doomworld shoutout from Stratton

[Cynical]

Jaxxoon R said:

Are you like, subscribed to this thread or something?

No, but my left arm is broken in two places, so I have nothing to do but argue on the internet.

[Jaxxoon R]

Fuck you all. Crazybus is the zenith of not only the entire industry in terms of story, presentation, and entertainment value, but the extreme extent of all forms of high art that the human race as a whole have been unknowingly striving to create from the beginning of existence.

[Cynical]

The difference is, I'm arguing a viewpoint I actually believe. I've been saying Doom 4 is mediocre and worse than Doom 3 (which I also consider mediocre, but a slightly better mediocre) since I first played it.

[Jaxxoon R]

Who are you?

[jazzmaster9]

Cynical said:

The high points of the CoD series are better than Doom 4. Literally about half of FPSs are.

You mean the slow movement and endless cutsecnes? In that case yeah CoD is better in that than Doom 4.

[Cynical]

The audio-visual feedback from shooting things in even the worst CoD games isn't as pathetic as that of Doom 4.

[jazzmaster9]

But everyone knows Ride to Hell is the epitome of Great award winning game design. People are just fooling themselves when they say RtH is "edgy" or has glitches. Doom 4 is an FPS clone and Ride to Hell is super Original.

Btw you said pathetic instead of "Impactful" gonna correct you there.

Seriously, saying Thr worst CoD is better than Doom 4 is the DWforum equivalent of a self-burial.

[Cynical]

No, it's "pathetic". Poor sound design, enemies don't reel much, little visible recoil. Doom 4's guns flat-out feel weak.

Not helped by the fact that it takes about 5 shots to kill anything because "HAY WE GOTTA SHOE OFF ARE GLORYKILLS CAN'T HAV ANYONE KILL ANYTHING BY AXIDENT DERP WEEK GUNS IN A MASS-KILL FPS IS GUD GAEM DESIIN!!"

[jazzmaster9]

Cynical said:

No, it's "pathetic". Poor sound design, enemies don't reel much, little visible recoil. Doom 4's guns flat-out feel weak.

Not helped by the fact that it takes about 5 shots to kill anything because "HAY WE GOTTA SHOE OFF ARE GLORYKILLS CAN'T HAV ANYONE KILL ANYTHING BY AXIDENT DERP WEEK GUNS IN A MASS-KILL FPS IS GUD GAEM DESIIN!!"

Yet it still was a more satisfying game than most FPS this year despite that. Hahaha.
Oh wait im lying to myself again XD

Keep digging that hole man. Ill help

[Jaxxoon R]

Cynical said:

Not helped by the fact that it takes about 5 shots to kill anything because "HAY WE GOTTA SHOE OFF ARE GLORYKILLS CAN'T HAV ANYONE KILL ANYTHING BY AXIDENT DERP WEEK GUNS IN A MASS-KILL FPS IS GUD GAEM DESIIN!!"

Sounds like you don't actually know how to use the weapons properly.

[watstha]

Guys, you do all realize we are all doing exactly what cynical wants, right? Isn´t the best option to just let him write whatever the hell he wants then simply forget he exists?

[Cynical]

Yet it still was a more satisfying game than most FPS this year despite that. Hahaha.
Oh wait im lying to myself again XD

Keep digging that hole man. Ill help

There's genres other than FPS, you know. If one genre is sucking in a particular timeframe, it makes sense to explore others.

And Overwatch, Titanfall 2, Infinite Warfare, and Dishonored 2 all absolutely murder Doom 4 when it comes to satisfying audio-visual feedback.

[Jaxxoon R]

Those are all video games.

[Trycon]

How dare people like something that I don't like!

You should listen to my preaching and play Doom 3 instead of that mediocre trash called Doom 4... or as it's actually called, DOOM 2016

[jazzmaster9]

Cynical said:

And Overwatch, Titanfall 2, Infinite Warfare, and Dishonored 2 all absolutely murder Doom 4 when it comes to satisfying audio-visual feedback.

And Doom 4 murders all of those in every other aspect (except maybe Dishonored's story).

But maybe next year you can be the judge of the VGA is they'll actually take you seriously. XD

[Cynical]

Calling it "Doom" is dumb, because it caters to the attempts of the big publishers to make it difficult to talk about classic titles.

Notice how all of the reboots have titles like "Tomb Raider", "Doom", "Wolfenstein", "Thief", etc. with no subtitles? Notice how a game console like the "Xbox One" has a name that makes it confusing to talk about the original Xbox? It's not by accident. The publishers are trying to actively destroy the history of the medium, and calling Doom 4 "Doom" is aiding them in this.

EDIT @ Jazzmaster -- Nope, the only one of those that you could make an argument that Doom 4 beats in *any* regard is Infinite Warfare. Dishonored 2 is especially a laugh; sure, it's not an instant-classic like Dishonored 1 (being a sequel to the best AAA game since "AAA" became a term in the gamer parlance is a tough act), but it still absolutely destroys Doom 4 in every single regard. Visually, mechanically, in level design, whatever; it's MILES beyond anything 2016 Id could ever dream of making.

[Jaxxoon R]

You've had your fun, now it's my turn to make this thread all about "me me me me me" with pisspoor brickwall earplugging and thinly-veiled shitposting

Look daddy, I drewd the scraggly man from Smash Brothers

[jazzmaster9]

But Doom 4 is not Doom guys. I know cuz im an expert.

I can hear "that AC/DC song" coming closer.

[Edward850]

Cynical said:

Calling it "Doom" is dumb, because it caters to the attempts of the big publishers to make it difficult to talk about classic titles.

Counter point.

[Cynical]

Within 10 seconds of that video, I got a perfect example of what I'm talking about.

"It is an identical clone of Doom bla bla..." NOPE.

Doom's combat was never segmented away from its exploration. "Both of these games are retro throwbacks"... say, which early-to-mid '90s FPS was built around arena lock-ins? OH, RIGHT, NONE OF THEM, THAT WAS A 2000s THING WITH SERIOUS SAM.

In other words, by just calling the game "Doom", they got this idiot to rewrite the history of an entire genre in his head. And it just so happens that the history he wrote had simpler games in the '90s than actually existed, thus creating the illusion of progress where there is none.

Thank you for demonstrating my point perfectly. Stop calling it "Doom". It's Doom 4.

[Edward850]

Cynical said:

Doom's combat was never segmented away from its exploration.

Yes it was. After killing a bunch of enemies in a room you are then required to organically search the environment for a means to proceed, either with the automap or with whatever is around you.
This describes both classic Doom and Doom4. It'd also describe Doom3 if it had an automap.

[Cynical]

And what about in all of those maps in E2 and E3 where you didn't have enough weaponry to fight the demons you were currently facing? You had to find things that made you more able to fight and paths to those things (that is, explore) and fight at the same time! Gasp! How revolutionary!

[jazzmaster9]

Cynical is right guys. Doom 4 is not worthy. Were fooling ourselves the whole time, he has a lot of knowledge in game design none of us can reach.
He's the next Gabe Newell.

[Voros]

Cynical's view: all FPS games are different levels of mediocre but always less then CoD, as it is the least mediocre FPS of them all.

My opinion here, but comparing every Doom/FPS game is like comparing apples, oranges, bananas, watermelons etc. Doom 2016 has great action-based gameplay. Doom 3 has a great atmosphere? IDK i just know that I enjoyed it. Classic Doom has great moddability, with fresh content made every week or so. Doom 64 has great atmosphere. Doom RPG has great turn-based gameplay along with action. They all have their perks.

You're comparing Doom 2016 to Doom 3. Be aware that Doom 3 was released in 2004 and made to be more different from Classic Doom by giving the horror element that spotlight. Doom 2016 is the literal opposite in a sense!

Doom won the Best Action Game and Best Music/Sound Design awards. Of course it has dull gameplay and poor audio implementation.

[snapshot]

jazzmaster9 said:

Cynical is right guys. Doom 4 is not worthy. Were fooling ourselves the whole time, he has a lot of knowledge in game design none of us can reach.
He's the next Gabe Newell.

Praise Gaby .

[jazzmaster9]

Cynical said:

Within 10 seconds of that video, I got a perfect example of what I'm talking about.

"It is an identical clone of Doom bla bla..." NOPE.

Doom's combat was never segmented away from its exploration. "Both of these games are retro throwbacks"... say, which early-to-mid '90s FPS was built around arena lock-ins? OH, RIGHT, NONE OF THEM, THAT WAS A 2000s THING WITH SERIOUS SAM.

In other words, by just calling the game "Doom", they got this idiot to rewrite the history of an entire genre in his head. And it just so happens that the history he wrote had simpler games in the '90s than actually existed, thus creating the illusion of progress where there is none.

Thank you for demonstrating my point perfectly. Stop calling it "Doom". It's Doom 4.

It Won Best Action Game
It Won best audio.
It's called "Doom"
and no amount of salty bitching will change that.

Might as well invest on a time machine so you could actually make a change.

[YukiHerz]

In the first age, in the first battle, when the salt ran rampant, one stood. Burned by the salt of Retardation, his soul salted by the fires of Differing Opinions and tainted beyond ascension, he chose the path of trying to pretend people are only allowed to praise what he praises.

What's next, "lmao guys am not retarded am just joking xdddddd"

[Cynical]

Voros said:

Cynical's view: all FPS games are different levels of mediocre but always less then CoD, as it is the least mediocre FPS of them all.

Your reading comprehension really isn't very good, is it?

Doom won the Best Action Game and Best Music/Sound Design awards. Of course it has dull gameplay and poor audio implementation.

Yes, I'm sure that an industry awards show that makes its money from showing advertisements during the show is a great and totally unbiased barometer of a game's quality.

[Phml]

Edward850 said:

Yes it was. After killing a bunch of enemies in a room you are then required to organically search the environment for a means to proceed, either with the automap or with whatever is around you.
This describes both classic Doom and Doom4. It'd also describe Doom3 if it had an automap.

Woah there, champ. Just because you have trouble doing two things at once doesn't mean everyone else does.

Here lies the crux of the issue. Some players will be able to move around the game world and fight enemies at the same time. Some players might not even fight enemies. Some other players will need to clear room after room methodically to progress.

Classic Doom allows all playstyles to exist. Fast and loose, pacifist, taking things one by one. Pacing is up to you.

Doom 2016 has hard-locked arenas, in which you have to kill enemies to open the doors. Pacing is controlled by the game.

If you happen to exclusively play slow and steady, you may not see the difference between the two games. This does not mean the difference doesn't exist. Rather, the implication would be you're merely scratching the surface of what a first-person shooter can be.

[jazzmaster9]

Cynical said:

Yes, I'm sure that an industry awards show that makes its money from showing advertisements during the show is a great and totally unbiased barometer of a game's quality.

Its only Biased Because you didn't like the results XD