Doom II: List of all hard wads

[CrazyDoomguy]

I added your WAD and these moved on 2. Elysion on 3. But other rating is strange, because for example other users said "Valiant" is on 2, but you said on 1... is difficult and better I wait a bit.

Added masterjump.

Added this Drown in Blood, but I see other version with 33 maps (http://doomedsda.us/wad1041.html). What is difference? Number of maps?

[TheB]

I would have Chillax rated as 4-5 because some of the maps are nearly impossible.

[Linguica]

[TheB]

bzzrak said:

^ Actually, let me tell you this. My Doom skills are really, really bad, but I didn't have much trouble with the first half of VeryHard (with infinite ammo, I'll admit that, but without godmode). I didn't try the second half as it was way too slow to be played normally.
So I'd give it a 3, maybe 4 on your scale. I'm pretty sure that it isn't nearly impossible.

Some other wads totally wrecked me even with infinite ammo. Hell, 50 Shades of Graytall was in some maps harder than VeryHard.

Try playing maps 4-6 on VeryHard and you will realize why he rated his wad that way. By the way, I would rate VeryHard a 4-5 like Chillax.

[Spocks_Beard]

What about Obituary? Those damn new monsters have too much HP.

[baja blast rd.]

bzzrak said:

^ Actually, let me tell you this. My Doom skills are really, really bad, but I didn't have much trouble with the first half of VeryHard (with infinite ammo, I'll admit that, but without godmode). I didn't try the second half as it was way too slow to be played normally.
So I'd give it a 3, maybe 4 on your scale. I'm pretty sure that it isn't nearly impossible.

Some other wads totally wrecked me even with infinite ammo. Hell, 50 Shades of Graytall was in some maps harder than VeryHard.

Infinite ammo is going to really skew things, as it has if your impression is that anything in 50 Shades is harder than anything in VeryHard.

[CrazyDoomguy]

Spocks_Beard said:

What about Obituary? Those damn new monsters have too much HP.

VeryHard moved on 4-5.
Added Obituary. Do you know which rating whould move this WAD? :)

[T-Rex]

CrazyDoomguy said:

VeryHard moved on 4-5.
Added Obituary. Do you know which rating whould move this WAD? :)

I think it would a 1, considering that despite having some tough new monsters, it's nowhere near as difficult as Plutonia and HR.

[Spocks_Beard]

Rate it a 3?

[Paul977]

Linguica said:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1WfTWRUQAACSdE.jpg:large

Lol

also lol at Elysion rated 3 and No Chance 2

[T-Rex]

Paul977 said:

Lol

also lol at Elysion rated 3 and No Chance 2

Also at how he put Memento Mori as being easier than Evilution, and Evilution being in equally as hard as Plutonia, and Requiem being harder than Plutonia. In my opinion, the Memento Mori duology are tougher than Evilution, followed by Requiem, while Plutonia is much more harder.

[Scotty]

Probably cause it's clearly a humorous graphic rather than trying to provide any definitive ranking...

[Paul977]

Paul977 said:

also lol at Elysion rated 3 and No Chance 2

This is refer to the OP not to the hilarious image by Linguica btw

[TheB]

Op, are you sure that No Chance is only a 2? I would rate it a 3 but I would like to get a consensus on it from other posters.

[baja blast rd.]

Definitely not a 2. If it were a 2, Anc wouldn't have taken a whole week to get a single exit on it while employing lots of cheese strats.

[CrazyDoomguy]

Added "4000 Monsters" WAD

[roadworx]

rdwpa said:

Definitely not a 2. If it were a 2, Anc wouldn't have taken a whole week to get a single exit on it while employing lots of cheese strats.

holy snickerdoodles, seriously?

[Spectre01]

I've always wanted a spot on this list. Quantum Strike (3 maps) with a difficulty of [3].

[T-Rex]

Although this isn't related to the ranking of the most difficult Doom wads (to some degree), here is my own difficulty scale of the wads, which I made on MS Paint. I'll explain each colour of the scale below. Just to note, this doesn't cover the entire Doom library, just only examples of mostly megawads so you can get an idea of which other examples would fit in which colour zone.





Level 1 (Green): Easy wads, around the same difficulty as the original Doom and Doom 2.
Level 2 (Blue): Moderately difficult wads, above Doom and Doom 2, but still accessible for amateur players.
Level 3 (Yellow): Hard wads, showcasing meaner monster placement, requiring foreknowledge of the maps.
Level 4 (Orange): Very difficult wads, frequent usage of tougher enemies in groups and intricate level design.
Level 5 (Red): Extreme wads, requiring highly sharp Doom skills and strategy.
Level 6 (Dark Red): Nigh-impossible wads, very overwhelming monster placement, best avoided unless you're a top-class Doom God.

[Grain of Salt]

Cyberdreams should be in the green or blue sections, honestly.

Also, I swear I've never seen anyone mention Tarakannik before this thread. Not in any of the endless "recommend me some hard wads" threads.

[T-Rex]

Grain of Salt said:

Cyberdreams should be in the green or blue sections, honestly.

Also, I swear I've never seen anyone mention Tarakannik before this thread. Not in any of the endless "recommend me some hard wads" threads.

I don't know, cause from what I checked on playthroughs, Cyberdreams looks pretty tough in the sense that you have to solve puzzles to kill cyberdemons since you have no weapons at all, and you're constantly on the move to avoid getting blown up by them, and the level design get nastier as you progress. So that's what I rank it in the orange zone, despite it not being in the same calibre as the other wads listed within.

As for the Tarakannik series, people have already mentioned it in the thread, and they're ranked as the most difficult.

[Grain of Salt]

I know, I'm saying I've never seen anyone mention Tarakannik *before* this thread.

[Memfis]

https://www.doomworld.com/vb/wads-mods/61565-tarakans-wad/
Only CrazyDoomguy talks about this wad. I suspect that he is actually the author too.

[Spectre01]

@T-Rex's list:

Scythe 2 and Unholy Realms are probably better off in the orange zone. Scythe 2 especially is quite popular and accessible as far as wads go with only maps 23 onward being "difficult". Not a tier above Speed of Doom IMO.

[T-Rex]

Spectre01 said:

@T-Rex's list:

Scythe 2 and Unholy Realms are probably better off in the orange zone. Scythe 2 especially is quite popular and accessible as far as wads go with only maps 23 onward being "difficult". Not a tier above Speed of Doom IMO.

I don't know much about Unholy Realms, other than hearing it's very challenging. Scythe 2, I put it in the red zone due to the fact that after every 5 maps you are stripped off all your weapons and start from scratch in the opener of each episode, and the jungle and hell episodes were really difficult to start with just a pistol. Also, I wanted to avoid cluttering too many wads in the orange zone, so I put whichever ones I saw fit in the red.

[Cynical]

Y'all are all really overrating the difficulty of AV. That one should be in whatever category HR and Scythe are (yellow, in this case).

Aside from the somewhat absurd Map 29, Unholy Realms is no harder than Scythe 1. Should be yellow, not red.

Maps 23-30 in Scythe 2 are hard enough that it belongs in red, IMO.

[T-Rex]

Cynical said:

Y'all are all really overrating the difficulty of AV. That one should be in whatever category HR and Scythe are (yellow, in this case).

Aside from the somewhat absurd Map 29, Unholy Realms is no harder than Scythe 1. Should be yellow, not red.

Maps 23-30 in Scythe 2 are hard enough that it belongs in red, IMO.

I kinda disagree, because even though AV isn't as difficult as Kama Sutra and Speed of Doom, it's still slightly above HR and Scythe, considering that many of the mid to late maps are very tough, and a good deal of the HR-influenced maps like Darkdome are nastier than their inspirations, and if you're playing on vanilla as it was originally made for, good luck, cause a lot of them crash by savegame buffer overflow if you try to save at any point.

Unholy Realms, I'm considering of lowering it to the orange since the guys have classified it as being as hard as Scythe 2, Speed of Doom, etc.

Speaking of Scythe 2, while I agree on Maps 23 to 30 being very difficult, they are indeed not a tier above Speed of Doom's harder maps.

[CrazyDoomguy]

Memfis said:

https://www.doomworld.com/vb/wads-mods/61565-tarakans-wad/
Only CrazyDoomguy talks about this wad. I suspect that he is actually the author too.

Im not a author because I learned DoomBuilder on 2016 year :)

[T-Rex]

Here's an overlooked pcorf classic that is quite a challenge. I think it would be a 1 according to the difficulty rating scale here.

Verada (Please Consider)

[CrazyDoomguy]

Added Quantum Strike and Verada WAD into list.