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Listen up.....The polls have been taken, and the people have spoken. If you regard Doomworld as a serious Dooming site, then you would consider that the polls are accurate in stating the general belief of the Dooming public. What I'm saying is, why are you sitting on this message board complaining about clans? The majority of people WANT it to be here, and thats already been established. The WHOLLLLLE reason for this forum here, was to see what people's ideas on HOW to do stuff for the clans on DoomWorld. Linguica understands that the majority do want clans, and now he's asking us to tell him what we think he should do on the page regarding them. Stop bitching and moaning, your "voice" in the matter has been seen.....and its only 28% =)

Skitzo, what, so because the majority disagree with me, I should change my opinion? I don't care that I'm in the minority. It does NOT matter. I'm not trying to say that there shouldn't be clan coverage on Doomworld. I'm saying that clans suck. That's ALL I'm saying.

You said in a previous argument that DOOM's age would keep it safe from the lameness of the clan communities of newer games. Not so. Look around. Go look in the Doomworld forums, or the comments pages. DOOM has its fair share of lamers and morons, just like any other game. Its age will NOT protect it from the very things that ruin the public image of clans in other game communities.

You sit here lecturing everybody about how clans suck...and how their all lamers, yet why is it that a large majority of people that are in clans are the lamers, and you aren't? If you were to post that comment on some sort of Clan site, then they'd obviously say YOU were the lamer.. Who's to say that you are right or wrong? The point is, we KNOW what your opinion is...and if you are really THAT adament about expressing your beliefs, GO VOTE! Otherwise, stop making negative comments. You are being a hipocrit, considering your calling all the Clanners assholes, but u're being the most negative on here. If all u have to say, is how bad clans are...then why bother even posting another one? You've posted more msgs than anyone else on here, and I'm sure we all know your opinion by now.

Right, here we go again.

Skitzy, my dear fellow, I'm going to pick on you because you seem to have the weakest argument here. So, then:

"...why is it that a large majority of people that are in clans are the lamers, and you aren't?"

Because it seems that the very fact that someone would want to be in a clan would make them, USUALLY, very very stupid. NOT ALWAYS. USUALLY. I appreciate that not all clans and not all claners are bastards; so do the other anti-clanists here (all two or so them). BUT USUALLY THEM ARE. Nobody can deny that; most clans and most clan members are imbeciles. Not all. But such a vast majority that one could very nearly write off the whole concept as a bad one to begin with. If clans worked properly, I wouldn't have a problem. On the whole, they don't, and I don't even see why we need them. Waste of time and effort people!

In these cases there is no way for anyone to say whether someone else is right or wrong, or whether you are right or wrong. That's why it's called "opinion". When someone says "clans are crap," obviously what they mean is "I think clans are crap." Can you not just read between the lines here? Is it that tricky?

"If you were to post that comment on some sort of Clan site, then they'd obviously say YOU were the lamer..."

Well obviously.

"The point is, we KNOW what your opinion is...and if you are really THAT adament about expressing your beliefs, GO VOTE!"

Presumably he already has. Like I have. Like you have. Like most people have. Hmm?

"You are being a hipocrit, considering your calling all the Clanners assholes, but u're being the most negative on here."

How is expressing an opinion hypocracy? Daggah's not saying "clans are crap, but if I were in one they wouldn't be." No, he's saying "clans are crap" (paraphrased, obviously). How can one be hypocritical with a statement like that?

"You've posted more msgs than anyone else on here, and I'm sure we all know your opinion by now."

I'm sure we all know everybody's opinion by now. Why is it a sin to explain why one holds an opinion, and to defend one's opinion? Hmm?

Consider that before you post a message telling me what a dickhead I am.

Well, I'm not going to keep going on and on..because I'm tiring of this whole pointless arugment on here. I've stated many times, and obviously YOU weren't reading my msgs carefully enough to see the whole point, that this forum is for IDEAS ON CLAN-INFO ON DOOMWORLD. The reason I, and a lot more are irritated by people like you and Daggah expressing your opinions so bluntly, and negatively...is because thats not what this forum was really for. Yes, I understand..everybody is entitled to their opinion, but whats the point in expressing them here? I could understand if Linguica posted a question on a News update ASKING if people liked clans... But this was in response to the vast majority that voted for clan updates on Doomworld, and what he should do about it. So, please....stop debating an endless argument. Wow, some clanners are assholes. But, some of every type of group or type of person, or type of race...or wtf ever, is an asshole. So, thats a pretty obvious statement, and its just showing how you two enjoy arguing, considering you keep posting things on here about how bad they are. And again, the point I'm making...is that the reason for this forum was to ask opinions about how to go about Clan-listings and such....not to get angry because your minority opinion, didn't win the Poll... Now go ahead, and pick little qoutes from my message here, and find something wrong with it. Because, its understandable that a minority opinion would be the most argumentative about it.

Its a good idea to add a clan page doomworld. Possible items on the page would include demos of matches and current rankings / ladders + clan profiles and 411. When I play a deathmatch game with someone its for keeps. I enjoy it but I hate to lose or worse: get "doominated" which is real kick in the ego. I for one never take doom dm "lightly".

but only because I'm right. You claim I'm not. Prove it. Prove me wrong. Not with words, but with actions. Because from where I'm standing, your actions right now are merely proving that I am right.

1. Set up a separate clan forum where members can make challenges, set up matches, brag, smack talk or whatever it is that clans do. (I don't know I'm not in a clan). 2. Have all the statistics kept up by SOMEONE ELSE on a hosted site or something. I know that clan guys are serious stat junkies and will want to see numbers relating to dozens of different scoring aspects. I don't imagine you will want to get into that. You won't have time for anything else if you do. 3. Make occasional updates in the news section relating to who won what match, maybe providing a link for those who want to see the details and such. Ok, I'm done.

There is NO clan "to be or not to be" arguement in here, pay attention, read my lips, this thread was to decide "what/where/how" etc of the clan coverage. If you and other losers want to have a debate as to if and for what reason there should/should not, be clan coverage on Doomworld then post a msg in general forums and ask people, the vote has been taken, this thread was to advise Linguica as to the fine details, not as a "oh we lost the vote but still wanna inflict our opinion on everyone else , as if it means a damn. The vote was "yes we, the majority that have voted, would like to see some clan news here" now if you "thats, *you* the MINORITY don't , ok LIVE WITH IT

I guarantee you that if you add a stat function to DOOM, you'll get a bunch of llamas playing non-stop and using whatever lame tactics that they can to ensure that they're on the top of the list. It's happened before, and it'll happen again. In the UT community, we appropriately call them stat whores.

fod_vile, I'll repeat myself very slowly...

"so because the majority disagree with me, I should change my opinion? I don't care that I'm in the minority. It does NOT matter. I'm not trying to say that there shouldn't be clan coverage on Doomworld. I'm saying that clans suck. That's ALL I'm saying."

However, since I think that Doomworld IS going to be providing clan coverage (unless some of the comments in this thread make Ling change his mind), I really don't see any way around the stats issue. The clans will almost surely want to see them included in the coverage. That's why I suggested someone else bear the burden of this complex record keeping. Seeing as how most of the CsDoom servers are perpetually empty right now, I don't really see something that may encourage more play as necessarily a bad thing.

Okay. I've had enough of this argument. I'm saying no more. I still stand by what I said, and I'm not going to waste my time or anyone else's by saying the same things over and over because people fail to understand what I (or others) are saying. End. Roll credits.

is for people to say how clans should be covered on Doomworld, not for people to whine about other people saying they don't like clans.

Hey Ling, don't do any clan service... saves you some work for something so useless and low end.

If ling was to go about having this included on the site, he would most likely have someone else handle it for him. Its not useless at all, considering it will encourage the growth of people playing Doom on the internet...especially with "Doom Tournament" coming up, with much better Teamplay features. If you guys are truly committed to helping the doom2 community, being as old and dieing as it is....truly committed to helping the community grow, and the online players get into it more, then blocking clan coverage would only suggest that your not sincere

Yes, I am banning clan coverage from Doomworld. REVOKE THE FISHES!!!