The DW Fight Club - UV-Tyson and GM-Tyson runners unite!

[xdude_gamer]

What is the Doomworld Fight Club?

 

The DW Fight Club is a monthly competition in which people record UV-Tyson demos of certain DOOM WADs. Players of all types are allowed. This is all in the name of fun. There will be a list of rules in a later section. WADs are voted on by members. To join, simply record a demo!

 

Rules

 

- Ultra-Violence difficulty only

- Based off of UV-Tyson guidelines, only fist, berserk fist, chainsaw, and pistol are allowed
- GM-Tyson includes fast monsters, if you feel like making a Grandmaster Tyson run

- Demos, stream highlights and video recordings are the only accepted proofs. You must link to hese runs in the thread.
- Don't use any other WADs other than the IWAD and the PWAD and/or DEH provided

- These are blind runs, so simply try your best.

- If you are not running it blind, then simply acknowledge the fact. You're still allowed to submit demos.

- If you die, that's it, that's your score. END THE DEMO UPON DEATH OR COMPLETION OF WAD!
- You don't need to kill all the monsters, just escape the level.
- You cannot talk about the DW Fight Club

 

How to win

 

- Last the longest in the mapset and/or beat the mapset without dying

 

How to lose

 

- Last for less time than the winner
- Use a weapon other than Tyson rules
- Restart on a death exit before making it to tally screen

 

WAD being ran

 

Erik Alm's "Scythe" (2003)
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/megawads/scythe

Compatibility: Vanilla
Source port: Any
Game: DOOM 2

 

Edited February 6, 2022 by xdude_gamer

[MoreMending]

Am I still allowed to vote, even if I won't submit a demo?

[Pseudonaut]

11 minutes ago, xdude_gamer said:

These are blind runs, so simply try your best

 

By this rule, I would be unable to participate because I've already at least partially played of all the wads you've listed for voting. I'm guessing you're aiming for something more like the Ironman League, where it just has to be your first attempt since the thread was started, and those who've played the wad before aren't excluded. In that case, I'm interested.

[MoreMending]

For me, it would be completely blind if I even try. I've only played a small selection of community wads.

[Shepardus]

I voted for Scythe because I remember there's a chainsaw in the first level.

 

A couple of clarifying questions:

• UV-Tyson, the speedrunning category, requires all kills (but not all secrets). Is that a requirement here?
• Any requirements for compatibility settings? If it's just for fun maybe it doesn't matter too much, but ZDoom default compatibility makes melee much easier due to its collision detection not being totally borked.
• I assume "last the longest" refers to number of levels rather than time, since otherwise you're incentivized to play as slowly as possible?

Edited February 2, 2022 by Shepardus

[4shockblast]

Looks interesting, but I have the same question about blindness; would that mean only people who haven't played the set are allowed to participate? I assume the runs are continuous too, right? Admittedly, having done the Scythe episode 1 Tyson, I can't even say I'd be blind to Tysoning it, much less playing it. :^)

 

Also, where's the rule that you are not allowed to talk about DW Fight Club?

[Maribo]

I would also like to express interest in this.

I also strongly recommend:
1) Allowing non-blind participation, especially seeing as all of the first post's choices are popular megawads that most people who want to participate will have played before.

2) Require relevant compatibility per wad, for reasons Shepardus mentioned.

[Nefelibeta]

Like almost half of the people voted for scythe lol.

[BaileyTW]

None of these runs would be blind for me, so I think adding a stipulation that you can have a nonblind run as long as you clearly state it isn't blind (and then list those separately) would be nice I think the ironeagle threads do that.

 

Gonna submit a run like this anyways and clearly state it is NOT blind, but just so everyone is on the same page who might want to do this, might be a good idea to add this rule especially cause these are 4 popular wads.

 

That aside, I like this idea. This thread IMMEDIATELY caught my eye cause I've been wondering if there was a thing like this and was tempted to start one if I got more tyson runs under my belt.

Edited February 2, 2022 by BaileyTW

[xdude_gamer]

12 hours ago, MoreMending said:

Am I still allowed to vote, even if I won't submit a demo?

Yes

[xdude_gamer]

8 hours ago, BaileyTW said:

None of these runs would be blind for me, so I think adding a stipulation that you can have a nonblind run as long as you clearly state it isn't blind (and then list those separately) would be nice I think the ironeagle threads do that.

 

Gonna submit a run like this anyways and clearly state it is NOT blind, but just so everyone is on the same page who might want to do this, might be a good idea to add this rule especially cause these are 4 popular wads.

 

That aside, I like this idea. This thread IMMEDIATELY caught my eye cause I've been wondering if there was a thing like this and was tempted to start one if I got more tyson runs under my belt.

Alright this is a good idea!

[xdude_gamer]

11 hours ago, Shepardus said:

I voted for Scythe because I remember there's a chainsaw in the first level.

 

A couple of clarifying questions:

• UV-Tyson, the speedrunning category, requires all kills (but not all secrets). Is that a requirement here?
• Any requirements for compatibility settings? If it's just for fun maybe it doesn't matter too much, but ZDoom default compatibility makes melee much easier due to its collision detection not being totally borked.
• I assume "last the longest" refers to number of levels rather than time, since otherwise you're incentivized to play as slowly as possible?

Yes, all kills.

 

Also, by last the longest, that does refer to the number of levels.

[xdude_gamer]

WE ARE OFFICIALLY RUNNING SCYTHE! RUNS TO BE SUBMITTED BY FEBRUARY 28!

[xdude_gamer]

11 hours ago, 4shockblast said:

Looks interesting, but I have the same question about blindness; would that mean only people who haven't played the set are allowed to participate? I assume the runs are continuous too, right? Admittedly, having done the Scythe episode 1 Tyson, I can't even say I'd be blind to Tysoning it, much less playing it. :^)

 

Also, where's the rule that you are not allowed to talk about DW Fight Club?

You are allowed to run demos as long as you acknowledge that it's not blind. Also, I'll add that rule too.

[Pseudonaut]

Here's my run for Scythe. Died on map04. Not blind, obviously.

scfc-pseudonaut.zip

[azerty]

Here is my run. This was blind but I only got to map 05 well idk if you can even say that because I died at the beginning. I didn't see those 2 zombieman at my left and right and they did a lot of damage. The chaingunner finished the job. There is still a lot of room for improvement.

scyth.zip (recorded in dsda)

Have fun watching me searching for monster that I though were in a secret but were actually very easy to find.

Edited February 2, 2022 by azerty

[thelamp]

Short run for me! Not blind but it's been a long time since I played this, forgot to check the killcount at the end of map02 so it ends there. Nearly died due to switching to the wrong weapon on that level too haha

 

recorded in prboom 2.5.1.5

scythe-thelamp.rar

[Andromeda]

Category: Non-blind

Dead on: MAP06

Kills: 43/46

Time: 17:49

 

Wanted to reach MAP07 at least but it was always going to be tricky to survive MAP06, almost made it though!

 

fc_andromeda_scythe.zip

[MoreMending]

I did it, but technically it wasn't blind, I died on MAP03 (or was it MAP04). I recorded this demo on DSDA-Doom.

 

MoreMending's Scythe Run.zip

[Jacek Bourne]

Category: Non-Blind
Died on Map06

Kills: 40/46

Time: 16-17:30

 

I did not find a good strategy for the final room of map06 tyson.

 

https://www.mediafire.com/file/vi5c7ou3ao0yl8v/scythe1fightclub.lmp/file

[BaileyTW]

Categoty: Non-Blind Uvtyson and Non-Blind GMtyson

Died on Map06 UVtyson, Map03 GMtyson

Kills: 42/46 UVtyson, 26/39 GMtyson

Time: 15:51 UVtyon, 7:29 GMtyson

 

Found out a strategy for that final room but juuust too late. For the -fast run i just babied the hell out of the run and died where I thought I would. Maybe would have survived if I remembered to pick up a box of bullets the map prior. Zip has both runs

 

Zip: Bailey_Scythefightclub.zip

[Tompig]

Edit.

Sorry on a phone, posted in wrong thread. 

Edited February 3, 2022 by Tompig

[xdude_gamer]

UPDATE ON PROGRESS SO FAR

 

So far, here are our records:

 

UV-Tyson: MAP06 (Andromeda, Jacek Bourne, BaileyTW)
GM-Tyson: MAP03 (BaileyTW)

[xdude_gamer]

It is possible to upgrade UV-Tyson and GM-Tyson runs as well, so if you record a demo and made it to MAP08 instead of MAP05, you can simply upload it. It is a competition after all.

[4shockblast]

Got to 32 ending in regular Tyson, 4 in -fast. Def not blind, Tysoned Scythe ep 1 before (which I somehow beat in this demo? idk what the fuck I was doing back then).

scythe_Irontyson_shock.zip

[MoreMending]

There's all of us casuals submitting runs, and then 4shockblast comes in and just decimates us all

[xdude_gamer]

17 hours ago, 4shockblast said:

Got to 32 ending in regular Tyson, 4 in -fast. Def not blind, Tysoned Scythe ep 1 before (which I somehow beat in this demo? idk what the fuck I was doing back then).

scythe_Irontyson_shock.zip

My God.

 

Stat report:

 

UV-Tyson PB: MAP32 by 4shockblast
GM-Tyson PB: MAP04 by 4shockblast

[Maribo]

I would like to suggest that this club makes a modification to Tyson rules for the purpose of what it is: Do not require 100% kills.

The main reasoning for this is that, well, it encourages blind runs, but there are a pretty decent amount of cases where you will end up turning the run into a secret-hunting snooze when you run into a map where there are actual enemies hidden in a secret somewhere. It's already a pretty decent challenge to do continuous Tyson gameplay without getting 100% kills, so I don't think it would kill the spirit of the run, personally.

[Meowgi]

3 minutes ago, Maribo said:

I would like to suggest that this club makes a modification to Tyson rules for the purpose of what it is: Do not require 100% kills.

The main reasoning for this is that, well, it encourages blind runs, but there are a pretty decent amount of cases where you will end up turning the run into a secret-hunting snooze when you run into a map where there are actual enemies hidden in a secret somewhere. It's already a pretty decent challenge to do continuous Tyson gameplay without getting 100% kills, so I don't think it would kill the spirit of the run, personally.

 

I agree with this sentiment; Blind "true" Tyson will also end up being a pain in a lot of wads due to existence of higher-tier monsters such as cyberdemons and masterminds. Rather than require the player to zerk/pistol these down to progress, I highly recommend allowing "Tyson any%" for this league.

[BoxY]

Also agreed, there are some maps where getting 100% kills is just too big of a pain in the ass even if you have a strategy, but for blind play it would be even worse. There are also a lot of maps where getting all kills with tyson restrictions is impossible for really boring reasons, like there being a lot of monsters on unreachable ledges and not enough bullet ammo to pistol them all, in which case you would have everyone automatically failing by default on that map even if they were capable of going further. If complevel 9 or 11 wads are selected it would also mean you could fail to get 100% kills because a monster fell off a ledge into an inaccessible area.