Doom Community Iceberg (Entry Suggestions Needed)

[biogen]

Doomseeker - A doom launcher everyone who has touched skulltag or zandronum knows. Entryway tier.

Zdaemon - An OG source port and launcher where OG doom players are found. Near-bottom tier. 

Bestever - An old server hosting site that had branched out to a few doom launchers and their respective source ports. It was discontinued sometime in 2014? Or 2015? I'm foggy on the exact date. Bottom tier. Though the same could be said for any and all other discontinued hosting sites.

Vela Pax - A large-scale mappack that showed a lot of potential, but was left greatly unfinished and has never been touched since. Bottom tier.

Armageddon 2 - One of, if not the most popular invasion wad of it's time. Surface tier.

Satan's Covenant - An expansive but mediocre invasion wad, infamous for its unfair, server-killing difficulty, patchy custom mobs, and godawful final boss. Near-bottom tier.

Zomb-8 - A... just... riveting mod based off the Left 4 Dead franchise. Bottom tier.

Vietdoom - A mod Brutaldoom-ifying a trek through the Vietnam War. Extremely difficult while yet being built more for single player gameplay, so pacifiers for anyone hoping for a casual experience. IDK tier.

 

Edited January 4, 2023 by biogen

[rivethead_]

On 1/2/2023 at 9:07 AM, mrthejoshmon said:

Bugger it, I came up with more at work:

• Little Doomlings Still Exist (a wild community controversy)
• Pinky Speed Bug (makes demons too fast or too slow)
• Doom 64 Pyramid (An unknown cut map from Doom 64)
• Doom 64's Beta (a late-ish build leaked recently, interesting unseen art inside, I have a copy of it)
• RVNH 3CT1 CD3M 0??? (Shows the player how to access EDIT: COMPLETE Hectic in Doom 64, see special passwords section for info)
• BFG2704 (early and different version of the BFG)
• The sky never changes (Doom 2 bug)
• unfinished Bruiser jumpscare (never implemented but originally planned, read development section)
• Doom 3 Alpha (a few differences, like zombies never actually dying)
• The Doom 3 marine speaks, only once, at the Cyberdemon intro he quietly utters "God", I think you can actually hear him say it in BFG Edition but you have to deafen yourself by upping the volume to hear it. I cannot find anything that confirms or denies my claim so take it with a grain of salt.
• The Doom 3 pentagram references old Dooms
• The monster summoning sound in Doom 3 is actually a part of the Lord's Prayer (reversed)
• A tree prophesises events in new Doom (See secret prophesies section, a tree whispers future events to you)
• Doom 64's lost Breakdown secret (see trivia section, thanks to the recent leak it has finally been found)
• DANNY WON!
• Bee in a coke can (That's how this track was made)
• PSX/N64 Archvile sounds (Aubrey Hodges, the audio man behind the 2 ports, released the unused sounds)
• Doom Eternal has a sewer gator in it

 

They are a lot less "Community" focused, more core Doom than anything.

 

hoh boy some more patch notes! sorry for procrastinating from this for a bit lol:

tl;dr, i added almost everything suggested here, currently working on adding some other entries suggested

[rivethead_]

more patch notes:

added most of @biogen's suggestions, particularly those for the lower levels

[DSC]

In the Doomworld happenings/drama category there is also the absolute legend of Adam Oker. Genuinely to this day one of my favorite threads in this site.

[NiGHTS108]

I don’t think anyone has mentioned it but you HAVE to bring up E1M10: Sewers and MAP33: Betray from Doom’s Xbox ports, now THAT’S some pointless trivia 

 

Edit: Also while I'm here I guess I'll mention Community Is Falling 3, a very outdated JRPG-style jokewad that makes ridiculously gratuitous usage of the F slur designed to parody and make fun of the drama on Doomworld during the late 2000's, for noobs like me it's an interesting historical product if you're looking to know what things were like at the time though if you're willing to look past all the... uh... shortcomings

 

Also idk if you missed it or just don't want to use it but here's my first post on Doom's alpha, as someone who also loves iceberg charts like this the Doom alphas are really interesting, containing such stuff as the original SSG sprites being more clearly edited from the original shotgun, chunks of Doom II map that remain unseen in the final wad, the original subtitle for Doom being "Doom: Evil Unleashed", the very different map screen I mentioned, and of course the iconic more realistic hud that emulates a futuristic marine's vision, similar to what they would end up actually doing for the hud in Doom 2016

 

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/post/2590108

 

Edited January 7, 2023 by NiGHTS108

[Ennello]

Looking really good already.

A few more suggestions:

 

- Why put Doomseeker two tiers below Zandronum? They come packaged together these days.

- Maybe include some more popular beginner wads like Valiant, Eviternity, heck maybe even Hell Revealed. Don't know how many you want to mention. Maybe do mention Hell Revealed, cause it's become a bit of a meme.

- Lilith.pk3!!!

- A few impactful mappers/community members maybe? Like insane_gazebo (or mention Sunder), Ribbiks (or mention Sunlust), skillsaw, Jimmy, Doomkid, cyriak...?

 

I know that once you start including mappers/wads the list gets bloated real quick, but you might want to consider at least a few important ones.

Edited January 7, 2023 by Ennello

[StalkerZHS]

Ghouls 3 Aborted Baby Image

[rivethead_]

On 1/7/2023 at 2:08 PM, StalkerZHS said:

Ghouls 3 Aborted Baby Image

 

Already included under the "Ghouls Forest 3 Yurei Photos" entry

 

On 1/7/2023 at 1:54 PM, Ennello said:

Looking really good already.

A few more suggestions:

 

- Why put Doomseeker two tiers below Zandronum? They come packaged together these days.

- Maybe include some more popular beginner wads like Valiant, Eviternity, heck maybe even Hell Revealed. Don't know how many you want to mention. Maybe do mention Hell Revealed, cause it's become a bit of a meme.

- Lilith.pk3!!!

- A few impactful mappers/community members maybe? Like insane_gazebo (or mention Sunder), Ribbiks (or mention Sunlust), skillsaw, Jimmy, Doomkid, cyriak...?

 

I know that once you start including mappers/wads the list gets bloated real quick, but you might want to consider at least a few important ones.

 

Thanks for the input about Doomseeker, I'll be honest I haven't really ever used Zandronum so I never knew that and thought it was a bit more obscure than it was. Some of these are already added, like Doomkid and Lilith, but I'll consider adding more community members. Work on the iceberg has taken quite a bit of a backseat, I've gotten back into the swing of actually making doom maps and as a result this isn't all too high on my priority list.

[pomatius]

I think speedrun mechanics such as wall running and void glide deserve a spot here. Maybe also the BSP data structure, visplanes, and Mancubus fireballs bad clipping. 

 

Other suggestions: Medusa effect, Tutti-Frutti Effect, monster infighting, suicide exit, NexStep computers, Bill Gates in E1M2, Romero's head, original helmet HUD, Bobby Prince's Pantera rip-offs, 7869.wad

Edited January 12, 2023 by pomatius

[⇛Marnetmar⇛]

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[rivethead_]

Arise ye tarnished! Ye dead who yet live!

 

After a uh... Inexcusable hiatus from this (caused primarily by my personal laziness), I've returned more seasoned than I was when I started this.

 

So, going back to the patch notes format I once used for this:

• Added a myhouse.wad entry, for obvious reasons
• Added entries for Cyriak, Ribbiks, Skillsaw, Erik Alm, and Jimmy
• Added some entries related to the Doom Alpha, curtesy of @NiGHTS108
• Added entries for 7869.wad, Atomic Attack, and a few others
• Rearranged quite a number of entries (that I didn't keep track of... Oops...)
• Removed the categories for now
  • For more elaboration, they might return in the finished iceberg, but I removed them because I found the categories I set up to be a bit too limiting currently.

As always, I'm accepting recommendations for new entries, apologies if this wasn't substantial enough of an update to be worth a necro ^^

 

[whatup876]

After i made a post here, i made the Doom-nerdo-666 blog where i try to post various interesting things about Doom and its community.

Something specific i remember is mentioned here: https://doom-nerdo-666.tumblr.com/post/718219687290355712/a-potentially-lost-piece-of-doom-fanart-and

 

There was once a Japanese(?) artist on Twitter who drew a Doomguy portrait using a brush in PhotoShop shaped after Doomguy's face and a little later, Slayers Club had an official article on the method.

And i realized the artist has a specific username that is probably why the Slayers Club team didn't credit him.

 

But it's something i only have through vague memories alone.

At least my blog has more stuff that is actually sourced to some degree.

[Noiser]

1 hour ago, skript_kitty said:

As always, I'm accepting recommendations for new entries, apologies if this wasn't substantial enough of an update to be worth a necro ^^

You may have lost some of my suggestions tbh

[rivethead_]

Another corpse unto the pile,

• Lowered some entries that I realized were more obscure than I was lead to believe, particularly entries related to source port development and coding
• Added an entry for the lost japanese doomguy portrait as described by @whatup876
• Added an entry about the Nirvana Suicide Rumor (for further detail see the iceberg lol)
• Added entries for the Community Chest series, and Eviternity

As always you can view the iceberg (and submit entries directly to it) here

[rivethead_]

How 'bout a little more? Cleaning out the back catalog

• Added entries:
  • NEDM
  • ONEMANDOOM
  • Doom Underground
  • Doom Reviews for the Recreational User
  • Bloodstain
  • Master Levels for Doom 2 (embarrassed I left this one out lol)
  • Ultimate Doom vs Plain Doom
  • D!Zone
  • Doom RPG
  • Aliens TC (also embarrassed I forgot this one)

  • Master Levels Made to Compete With Shovelware

  • Brad Carney (Carnevil)

  • NJ Doom

Edited September 17, 2023 by skript_kitty