Doomkid

Hey, I'm going to be compiling everything we have so far within the next few days, posting it, and getting the ball rolling with fixing up the existing maps as much as necessary to have it released before the end of the year. I appreciate the bump, I needed it to catch t.v.'s post!

idk what you guys are talking about, there's no bugs on doomworld on my end

This looks awesome!

Well, I've never 100%ed map15, and there may be one or two other items that can't be accessed throughout the game, but I've definitely killed every monster and found every secret in Doom2 multiple times. Still my favorite game of all time. I don't think I've ever 100%ed Ultimate Doom.. I probably should, I love it almost as much!

I would have a harder time dealing with all the weird constructs of modern life without toking a bit to give me a minor mood boost. I don't really feel the "need" for it out in nature, or doing an honest day of physical work, or doing something else relaxing and/or productive and enjoyable. However, dealing with paperwork? Car troubles/traffic/etc? Bank account related garbage, house insurance bullshit?? Fuck all the stress that accumulates from that stuff, lol. A little weed in the afternoon helps me out with that as well as physical pains, so I do use it. Also I don't want to start a big debate but there's been plenty of studies done on how carcinogenic weed is for the average user and I think the idea that a moderate smoker is guaranteed to get cancer is pretty openly silly from both anecdotal experience as well as various studies, both old and new. Not that it isn't at all carcinogenic - it is, in the same way everyday exposure to traffic fumes is carcinogenic, or any other number of things we encounter every day - but the idea that we're going to have people with holes in their throat because they used weed is just.. funny, to me, because it's not going to happen. It's been used by a solid chunk of the population generation after generation. There's been a rise in usage with legalization, but keep in mind - people were absolutely under-reporting their weed use before it was more culturally accepted. The polls as they appear do not reflect this known phenomenon.. Long short, very few people who were not geared to like things like weed are suddenly going to fall in love with it because it is no longer illegal, and unless you're smoking 10+ joints a day (which literally no one is), not using a water filter, let alone vaporization or edibles.. You are not gonna get cancer from it. Ask the people who are 60+ with those little voice box things what they smoked that caused that to happen. I guarantee it's not going to be weed, lol.

Look, this is REALLY starting to get out of hand. Some things need to be clarified: A hot dog is a dish consisting of a grilled, steamed, or boiled sausage served in the slit of a partially sliced bun. The term 'hot dog' can refer to the sausage itself. The sausage used is a wiener (Vienna sausage) or a frankfurter (Frankfurter Würstchen, also just called frank). The names of these sausages commonly refer to their assembled dish. Hot dog preparation and condiments vary worldwide. Typical condiments include mustard, ketchup, relish, onions in tomato sauce, and cheese sauce. Other toppings include sauerkraut, diced onions, jalapeños, chili, grated cheese, coleslaw, bacon and olives. Hot dog variants include the corn dog and pigs in a blanket. The hot dog's cultural traditions include the Nathan's Hot Dog Eating Contest and the Oscar Mayer Wienermobile. These types of sausages were culturally imported from Germany and became popular in the United States. It became a working-class street food in the U.S., sold at stands and carts. The hot dog became closely associated with baseball and American culture. Although particularly connected with New York City and its cuisine, the hot dog eventually became ubiquitous throughout the US during the 20th century. Its preparation varies regionally in the country, emerging as an important part of other regional cuisines, including Chicago street cuisine. The word frankfurter comes from Frankfurt, Germany, where pork sausages similar to hot dogs originated. These sausages, Frankfurter Würstchen, were known since the 13th century and given to the people on the event of imperial coronations, starting with the coronation of Maximilian II, Holy Roman Emperor, as King. "Wiener" refers to Vienna, Austria (German: Wien), home to a sausage made of a mixture of pork and beef. Johann Georg Lahner, an 18th/19th century butcher from the Franconian city of Coburg, is said to have brought the Frankfurter Würstchen to Vienna, where he added beef to the mixture and simply called it Frankfurter. Nowadays, in German-speaking countries, except Austria, hot dog sausages are called Wiener or Wiener Würstchen (Würstchen means "little sausage"), to differentiate them from the original pork-only mixture from Frankfurt. In Swiss German, it is called Wienerli, while in Austria the terms Frankfurter or Frankfurter Würstel are used. The term dog has been used as a synonym for sausage since the 1800s, possibly from accusations that sausage makers used dog meat in their sausages. In Germany the consumption of dog meat was common in Saxony, Silesia, Anhalt, and Bavaria during the 19th and 20th centuries. Hot dogs occasionally contained it. So yeah, anyone claiming otherwise will be banned on the spot. This is NOT up for debate!!!

I think it was probably 1998 when my dad downloaded Doomed 2 Die for me but I wouldn't recommend it these days, lol. Around 1999-2000 I found the following wads online, I just made them a zip so it's easy. They're all from 1998 or before iirc: https://www.mediafire.com/file/srk1fzaziaqil6i/90s_wads.zip/file Has Simpspons Doom, Area 51, DoomCity.. All humble creations in the modern era, but in my opinion some of the best offerings from that time. There's a lot more good stuff from this era out there for those who care to hunt, but this is the stuff I actually played in the late 90s.

Jeez Douglas, telling people to delete DOOM.wad from their hard drive to play it from their hard drive?! Get it together, man! ..We'll accept your apology this time, but you are on short notice.

No problem! I have my wallet right he- ...uhh...

Although it's not animated, you do need to shoot two more walls in Map28! I suppose that makes it special, it a way.. It also was one of the few maps that had two alternate beta versions! (https://tcrf.net/Development:Doom_II:_Hell_on_Earth_(PC)#Early_Progression)

Since no one has addressed this, "moo" doesn't mean this at all, lol. I think any connection there you've observed is coincidental. It's a random utterance, the rhyme and reason for when and where it's used IS that there is no particular rhyme and reason for it - at least that's how I always understood it.. :)

"There's definitely something here for at least everybody" is one of the greatest quotes I have ever heard.. and it's true

Just to throw a shallow comment out there on the topic: I really hate how it feels when something that I once absolutely loved does not pass the test of time, either personally or broadly. :( A number of games, bands, movies and shows I once really enjoyed fall into that category, and although I feel like it's a relatively minor example of this on the whole, it's how I feel about MM. I was always a fan, granted casually so compared to diehards such as valkiriforce or vdgg. (I always adored the MIDIs and custom assets in particular though, and honestly I feel all of those still hold up.) I have to say though that I agree with most of MtPain's opinions on it, it makes sense to me that someone coming to it now wouldn't have much fun, and if it's being judged on fun/entertainment factor, it then makes sense for it to not do too well. In the current Doom Wad landscape, it just doesn't hit the same way it did in 2000 or so when I first payed it - and since the pool of comparison was so much smaller, this was bound to happen to old classics occasionally. In my experience, not every wad suffers from this degradation, which to me further demonstrates that it's fair to be a little harsh on stuff that aged poorly. OSIRIS, Plutonia, HellRun2 and some others from the same era honestly still hit about as good as they did back in the day, so I do think it's fair to rank MM a little low despite ample nostalgia and inspiration derived from it in the past. On the other hand, I do think it's worth acknowledging that it was a crucial stepping stone which I have to assume got so many of us out there into mapping in the first place, the way it did for me - I know seeing MM was one of the experiences that got me further interested in learning to map upon seeing what the authors were capable of. I think how influential it was is a different topic than how fun it is though, so ultimately it wouldn't effect my grade were I to do a review show in a similar vein, at least that's my perspective on it as of now. Interesting thread, definitely a topic worth discussing imo. I think Marnetmar summed it up really concisely, but it's fun to blather sometimes lol

I'm sorry, but this nonsense has to stop. Not just in this thread, but in the community at large. It is a phenomenon that causes problems for numerous community members under the guise of being non-toxic, especially in recent times with Doom's popularity having increased so much since 2020. The person who hosted this project very clearly does not have what it takes to run a community project and I'm not going to let other mappers sign up just to waste their precious, limited time on this Earth mapping for a project that was a sinking ship before it started without saying my piece. This isn't to be "mean" or "toxic" or anything to @AuroraFox, who clearly means no harm. In fact, it is doing them the favor of NOT becoming a pariah for the "crime" of starting a community project when you're inexperienced, thus wasting the fucking time of every mapper who contributes when it inevitably falls apart. I have observed numerous times now that when things play out that way, it sometimes causes the starter of the project to be way more depressed/conflicted about the whole thing than if they had just been given a helpful reality check and the project was halted at the gate. Has everyone seriously already forgotten what happened with Johnny Cruelty? Is it really a "positive, non-toxic" thing to do the mapping project equivalent of letting a person walk into traffic blindfolded, lol? Personally, I don't think so.. Roadworx was 100% correct in all they said with these posts, even if it was maybe (a miniscule amount) too harsh: I'm not comfortable with this very helpful advice being framed as toxicity, drama chasing, schadenfreude - no, as someone who tried to start my first community project alllllll the way back in late 2003, this is sage advice. Plain and simple. I sometimes see the complaint bandied about that DW suffers from "toxic positivity", and usually it's total bullshit - but the one area I see some truth to it, is people sometimes being discouraged from giving harsh-but-helpful advice under the guise that doing so is "too mean". No, what's too mean is dogpiling with pointless memes and "omg this thread sux" posts with no meaningful content, and I'm glad those were removed. However, what's even worse? Allowing people to waste 10+ hours making a map for a project that is inevitably going to end up incomplete/in total shambles just because we didn't want to offend the OP despite them OPENLY STATING they have NO EXPERIENCE in the wadmaking category. This is the phenomenon I was referring to that has to stop - or, more accurately, people being discouraged from stating the harsh but super-helpful truth about such projects. I'm not going to say such projects should be disallowed, but not letting people point out the absurdity/let people know the mess they're in for is basically a sanctioned slap in the face to mappers who simply don't realize they've tied themselves to a sinking ship. Is it really worth it for that tradeoff? I don't think so, but I could be missing something, so feel free to tell me if you think I am. Oh, come on. It's a dumbass "NotSee" pun.. If someone posts some heinous or offensive shit, of course appropriate action will be taken, lol.

Just updated the links in the OP.. They actually broke like 1 month after I posted and it's been long overdue! It would be great for someone to check, but that looks like a recently copied disc to me, between the traces of deleted files and evidence of recent copying on a modern OS. I've never seen an official one with a black photocopied-looking label, it's always red or blue and the ink of the Doom logo itself is always quite high quality, you can see all kinds of white dots over the logo on that disc. (I honestly like the pink and black look though, lol..)

One of my favorite men in gaming is Coach from Left for Dead 2. I'm a total sucker for his combo of tropes: the middle-aged everyman who's tough but kind, a bit out of shape but still not one to fuck with, and just has this likeable demeanor all around.

spoilering this digression (although idk if this thread even warrants doing so lmao)

Wow dude. Speak with some respect. If you ever end up with a women, I'll feel sorry for them.

My favorite woman as of yet in a video game would have to be Commander Shepard from Mass Effect (I really hope you guys don't go around calling women "females" in everyday life. It's offputting even beyond the latent implication that all women are female, it just has this hypermassive turbo-virgin energy to do so lol)

1.2 is just like 1.1 with less bugs. My personal rule of thumb is "the closer to 1.9, the better" as every version prior had some pretty bad bugs that could potentially show up, causing crashes and such at seemingly random times.

What you're describing sounds perfectly ethical and reasonable on paper, but I think the idea just leaves a sour taste in a lot of people's mouths. After years and years and years of Doom mods being made, including numerous with "whole new game" amounts of assets with zero financial incentive to do so, it's reasonable to ask "why get money involved now?".. Beyond all that, I have never once seen a thread about people having "paid positions" as modders that was even remotely realistic. They're usually either offering the equivalent of 5 cents an hour, plainly lacking any clear vision beyond "can u make Batman mod for me", or obviously written by an 11 year old... Or, most often, all of the above. I'm trying to think of what a proposal that isn't completely absurd would look like.. "Hey Doomworld - I have 5 grand to spend on this mod I want made (already a baffling concept..) and I'm going to pay 5 of you $1,000 each to make some assets for me: One of you will make 5 maps, one of you will create all the sprites for 3 enemies... and by the way, you'll be working at well below minimum wage, but think of the PASSION and FUN in making a whole new game.." It just sounds insane no matter how I try to slice it, particularly for the person funding it. Is this all being done with the understanding that there will be zero financial returns? I have spent that much on things purely for pleasure, but.. those things existed, lol. Imagine spending the money and not being a huge fan of the maps? Who cops that loss? Surely the mapper isn't expected to keep at it til one of their layouts is "approved". If a team organically comes together with a mutual passion, that is totally different. In that scenario though, the vision is what is fuelling the creation, not the promise of a small sum of money that could be made at an actual job in a matter of a few shifts.. I'm not trying to be wholly negative about the very prospect, because I think it could happen in a realistic and reasonable way, theoretically.. but these threads are usually just pie in the sky and overtly silly on the face of it.

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Hey, just saw this! Looks like you covered everything Murdoch, right down to the differences in labels and why. Definitely looks to me like a case of someone, somewhere along the line chucking $5 shareware discs in with the mail order box and manual to make money. Without discs, that box and manual are worth maybe 100-200 bucks, depending on who wants them. The discs may fetch a little more, and this box could have contained 1.1 or 1.2, red or blue label, or in some cases other labels that aren't as cool but are still ""official"" in that they were being sold by distributors with an actual connection to/deal with id. The thread MagicMushroomMan linked is full of useful examples. I've seen official mail order floppies in black, baby blue, regular blue, and red so far. It's a real hodgepodge on the mail order front. (Ultimate Doom and Doom 2 were much more uniform!)